Let go off auto-waypointing?

[stefanhendriks]

I played with RB and since a friend of mine was the server we had to let his bots learn maps... which sometimes just did not quite work out. We wanted to play a good game, but instead we where learning/teaching the bots nav side a lot, and it took a lot of time before i could actually 'enjoy' the game.

So i wonder, should i just make this nodes thing (auto) optional? I am thinking of the following:

- generalize goals (no more CT_SPAWN WPT, more like CT SPAWN AREA)
- make 'auto nodes' optional (or even remove it!)
- let user be able to waypoint maps

I think even this would not even be a problem to me to waypoint/node them myself. I'd rather enjoy good performing bots then none-performing/half-performing (since i know their potential).

We can also try the nav-mesh theory, but i would like to see it working in PMB's bot first, and i wonder what much advantage we have...

Anyway, thoughts?

[MusicMan]

navmesh yay!!!!!

This navigation works out great in the Official Counter-Strike Bot

Go for it Stefan

I'm sure it's a good idea, cause i'm downloading realbot to practice my aim and stuff, not to teach the bots maps :\

[stefanhendriks]

navmesh is complicated for me atm, because i have only a vague idea how it works (in theory that is), not in code. PMB said it would be easy to implement, so i bet its handy to take a study on it. Any help on this is appreciated

[MusicMan]

Have you read this tutorial by PMB? It's really good stuff

Navmesh Tutorial:
http://racc.bots-united.com/tutorial-navmesh.html

[stefanhendriks]

Yes, i have read it, and i am reading it again. I guess i suck more in math then pmb atm. But frankly i don't have time atm to work on this.

[davek]

i dont like the idea of having to download wp files, so i heavily suggest not reverting to that. it might be nice to turn off the autonoding tho. would save a little cpu, and prevent silly nodes from being added. it would also be nice to be able to remove a node, or maybe all connections to that node or something.

the navmesh thing looks really cool. if u can get that to work, then i definitely suggest doing that. of course that does take time to learn it and then implement it.

i like the current way of autonoding, altho it does take a while to get the paths down. i usually just run around for one full round, then add the bots. it gets enough paths to play on, and then i just try to take different routes every time.

[stefanhendriks]

you can edit nodes connections (removing all, adding connections, etc) already davek

I am giving it a second chance.

[davek]

true, but i dont like to removeall and start over. that is what it does right, remove all nodes? or does it just remove all connections to the node i am sitting on? guess i should go :RTFM:,

stilllove that smilie. despite its like of smiling.

i have also done the removeto, but that gets really complicated when u get a lot of nodes in a tight area.

[Whistler]

I think PMB's navmesh is a bit different from Michael Booth's one. PMB's still needs a bit of "training" (it doesn't calculate the connections but tracks player movement to add "navlinks"), but Michael Booth's just calculates the connections directly.