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Onno Kreuzinger 07-03-2004 14:36

what about wikki for server stuff
 
Hi Council,

my question is, if a wikki for server stuff could be helpfull, i'm talking about a BU internal wikki, containing stuff like whom to ask for what (compiling for linuy, php for the website, win to linux porting of code), what accounts are for what (mail, ftp , development,..) and what are the rules of condiuct on the server(hl stuff goes to /blah, no dangerous files in the public webserver folders).
also detailed stuff like how does the webserver work(php,mysql, hlserver, steam updates), where to get a mysql database quick.
this would make my life easier and could even help for future features to be less work intense.
one future thing i could imagine would be that every linux supported bot would be installed here at the bu server and a install guide could be developed by more than one or two persons. esp. for the opne source bots, but also for popular bots this could help in making proper install pakages.
the switching between bots can be made quite easy, using a secure web interface, also to speed up linux development i could make developer accounts including a common subset of tools and sdk files.

all these internals would benefit from a wikki based server documentation, and since it would not be for the public i feel capable of managing it for the bu developers.

cheers

p.s.
if positive feedback comes in i will make a poll for that

Nova 07-03-2004 16:27

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
Im up for that. but we could do all of the abovementioned with a thread in the forums, couldnt we ?

Seb

Terran 07-03-2004 17:35

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
The main advantage of a wiki is that all people can easily edit the documents stored in the wiki. And a wiki usually has a revision control which is also very useful for maintaining all kinds of documents. This makes it very valuable as a knowledge base.

I made some good experiences with a wiki system, even if some bad guy deleted all content it can easily retrieved because of the revision control 8).

Therefore it might also be useful to give everyone access to at least a part of the wiki, not only the stuff members. E.g. I for myself am not a stuff member but feel that I can contribute much to this community due to my employment and years of experience at this hole matter. In the last days saw a lot of questions which all covered the same topics. Those could go to the wiki and would save a lot of time (well maybe not, some people are very resistant to reading :P).

Or another suggestion:
Make use of the FAQ at this website. It's already there but without content it's useless...

Onno Kreuzinger 07-03-2004 18:14

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
yes, members did not exclude regular members, and using a board thread does not seem practical, it's to fancy and it would be hard to maintain an uptodate central document.

Pierre-Marie Baty 07-03-2004 20:09

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
Laugh if you want but I still haven't figured out myself what all this "wiki" stuff was about... I landed on a website explaining this but it was very absconse and perhaps I had not the patience to read down the whole dozen of paragraphs. The few I've understood was talking about encyclopedia and reference documentation, right ? Could someone attempt to explain me in a FEW intelligible words what it's all about, and what are the advantages ?
Don't elaborate a reply, I need only a very short introduction. I believe anything I cannot manage to understand in a few words is intrinsically useless.

@$3.1415rin 07-03-2004 20:23

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
maybe you just go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and browse thru the site ... I guess that's the best way to see how it works

Terran 07-03-2004 20:25

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
Take a look at http://tavi.sourceforge.net/WikkiTikkiTavi, this is the wiki I'm using at my institute for internal documentation. Just browse at this site and explore it and you should understand what it is and what it does. And surely you will enjoy this technique =). Especially try the "Sandbox".

There are of course many other wiki implementations and they all have different features, this one is just an example I know quiet well.

Onno Kreuzinger 07-03-2004 20:28

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
short:
it's a cvs suitable for documentation/knowlege


features:
versioning (nothing can get lost)
online editable (with acl)
easy linking within the wikki (easier tags than this board)
easy setup (decomperss and if wanted the acl's)

advantage:
the first can write something about e.g. compiling, the second can correct that, the third uses allready the combined knowlege, with ability to switch back to 1st version.
every user can verify,comment, enhance and delete.

no admin, no moderation, self regulating wisdom.

cheers
p.s.
i don't know of a single wikki _not_ working as expected, anybody ?

dead bwoy 07-03-2004 21:47

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
will this allow regular members to report to the "wiki" the results of their testing? or would this be developers only section?

Pierre-Marie Baty 07-03-2004 22:00

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
OK, seeing this page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_you...e_belong_to_us

I think I got it now. :)

Onno Kreuzinger 08-03-2004 14:19

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dead bwoy
will this allow regular members to report to the "wiki" the results of their testing? or would this be developers only section?

the wikki i "want" is for bots-united server admins to server-users, i don't want to write dozens of "here you go emails" with infos regarding the website and email stuff of the bot developers, and having to correct my mistakes in dozens of places to keep knowlege up with documentation.

so it is not related to developer or not. and like Terran said, it must not be non-public. some parts like setting up the bots (on linux) is hard to document, the developers are not all @home in linux and it's sometimes too much work for me to install all .exe's on windows and then integrate that over to the linux version and make a pakage. other things like how to loginto the BU server are confidential but also important...

so easy guides and better usage of the available tools and posibilities is the main target.


cheers memed

Onno Kreuzinger 10-03-2004 13:56

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
ok, now everybody seems to know what i was talking about, i will now make a public poll for council members to decide.

koraX 10-03-2004 17:52

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
go to my test botwiki at http://neuron.tuke.sk/~wagner/wiki/wiki/index.php and try it yourself

the wiki I an using, phpwiky is very easy to install and maintain. It has support for multiple users (and accounts obviously), admins and backup/restore functions.

Pierre-Marie Baty 10-03-2004 18:21

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
went there... how the heck do you add a new page and an URL to it with that wiki edit stuff ?

Terran 10-03-2004 21:14

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
That's really easy:

Edit an existing page (e.g. the SandBox) and write i.e. PierreMarieBaty (this is called a camel-case or wiki word) and save the changes. Than you see a ? behind PierreMarieBaty which indicates that this page doesn't exist yet. Klick on the ? and the page will be created and you can edit it's content.
With koraX wiki you can also write [Pierre-Marie Baty] which would produce a similar result but without those ugly camel-case words.

Onno Kreuzinger 10-03-2004 21:17

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
Hi Terran,
it looks like your Wikki code is translated by the board software, could you re-post it with the code tags from the board software ?
or is it only written "italic" (kursiv) ?

Terran 10-03-2004 21:22

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
I used italic ;)

Pierre-Marie Baty 10-03-2004 22:14

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
ah ok it works now, you need to put the word between [brackets] :)

The downside is that you can't post normal brackets anymore with that wiki stuff :)

koraX 11-03-2004 09:33

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre-Marie Baty
ah ok it works now, you need to put the word between [brackets] :)

The downside is that you can't post normal brackets anymore with that wiki stuff :)

WRONG 8o

wiki automatically creates a 'new page' when you type something like that :
TheNewPage or NewBot or MyStuff (thenewpage, the new page or Thenewpage is not good)

get it ?

and see my wiky, I edited botcoding page to show you how easily you can write brackets.
Everthing can be done in phpwiki :D

Pierre-Marie Baty 11-03-2004 11:30

Re: what about wikki for server stuff
 
<code> tags won't work :(


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