Originally Posted by SoUlFaThEr

well as for mappers checking maps and waypointers waypointing........cs1.5 should still work on a listen.......
right? no inet connection means no WON necessary so a listen is still going to work just fine.

Originally Posted by Austin

Hey SF, glad to see you are around from time to time!

Yes, we can play LAN game forever, BUT my total enjoyment with CS has been to play on line with 28 bots and 4 excellent players from my group of about 30 people who play the game the same way as I and love playing bots in this situation.

So, I have been thinking.
1) I HATE the fact Steam installs SPYWARE.
WHAT YOU SAY? SPYWARE??????????

Yes, YES, YYYEEEESSSS SPYWARE.
They know when I startup my pc , they know when I shutdown my pc.
And I will soon check out what they know when I am running my pc.

Want me to do a packet trace and show you?
Look at the steam icon in your system tray after you reboot.
What do you think it did as it was starting up?
What the F---K do the need THIS FOR?

OK, I have just decided.
I am not going to encourage the hundreds of people who connect to my servers regularly to support this shite.

I am HISTORY once WON is HISTORY.
Perhaps enough other people will send Valve the same message.

AND yes, my system is acting very weird since I installed "Steam"

Going to do a total reinstall.
Besides I need to do this cause I am finally going the route where I have TWO PCs. 1) that has all my personal files and development files and archived emails that is NOT physically connected to anything not even having a network card and
2) a totally bland generic install that I use to browse and read email.

I simply won't run ANY installers from any where on my "Private" pc.
Not a problem. I have 4 port keyboard/ monitor switcher and it is no deal to run two PCs always. In fact it Is a major advantage when you are waiting on one like when rebooting etc…
I said I was going to do this years ago.
NOW IS THE TIME. Especially since I found a keylogger on my pc I got from SIMPLY browsing to a web site.
This shite is getting BAD......

Originally Posted by Huntkillaz

lol i thnk u need to run some progs like virus scanners ,adware\spywarescanners and reg cleaners i've been using these and my system is not only faster than when i didn't have them running but now i don,t have weird things happening=)=)

Originally Posted by Nova

GRR! Ok this is the LAST time i say this. Steam is NOT spyware. Steam is automatically started at startup for user convenience, and simply that, and the traffic that you think is spying on you is either one of two things:

Authentication with the steam servers, or security module sync. So stop claiming that steam is spyware. If you want ill give you a friggin packet analysis of what gets send. There is only very little encrypted data there, and thats the steam logon. The rest is definately NOTHING to spy on you. And if i wanted to see whether your computer is on or not, i cna do that easier *pets his good old 'ping'*

Satisfied ?