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Church-led censorship is back, it seems... in France judges have decided to censor an ad representing a parody of Leonardo's Last Supper painting. Look at that pic and tell me what's so disturbing, because frankly, I don't see >:(
http://racc.bots-united.com/last-supper.jpeg

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it must be just so confusing..

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I also fail to see what product/service its advertiseing, but anyway.

France has "blasphemy" laws? Holy crap, thats madness. The church and the state should always be kept seperate, or else you'll find things like this happening.


Quote:
Thierry Massis, the bishops’ lawyer, said: “When you attack sacred things, you create a moral violence that is dangerous for our children. Tomorrow we’ll have Christ selling socks.”

I'd buy those socks.

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you don't see that, pmb ? no wonder you got no girlfriend ;)

that are mostly women, something the male church ppl havnt seen for years behind their walls, and since it's also in the church that only the men have something to say, this must be for sure disturbing.

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c'est tres benetton

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oui, c'est vrai

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well I actually happen to know how to tell the difference between a guy and a girl @$3.1415rin, thank you 9_9

I just fail to see what "threat" such an ad poses (and to whom). Come on, that's madness and I agree with HangFire on that point.

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I think the reason its possibly offensive, is that theres 12 women, and one man, to match up with the 12 desciples and Jesus. Using that reasoning, the picture is implying that Jesus had an inappropriate relationship with one of his disciples. Alternatively, in Leonardo's original, Jesus was sat in the centre. By stating that the picture is a parody of The Last Supper, they're implying thet Christ was a woman.

They're the only reasons I can see.

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also if you look really close at the real Last Supper... it seems to be a girl... next to Jesus... this has been a controversy for awhile so I think this picture is pointing out the inverse of The Last Supper......... it doesn't bother me

look in the center, the person left of jesus... a girl
http://www.initaly.com/regions/artists/lsup.jpg

here is a close up of that person
http://www.danbrown.com/images/davin...ying_jesus.jpg

also check this out...
look closely further to the left.... there is a hand holding a knife.... but it belongs to no one. everyones hands a acounted for... so there is a single hand with a knife here is a close up
http://www.danbrown.com/images/davin...ding_knife.jpg

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the hand with the knife is a pretty intriguing detail, where did you learn that, bio ?

@Brainz: when you say "Using that reasoning, the picture is implying that Jesus had an inappropriate relationship with one of his disciples", I have to disagree, this can't imply such a thing UNLESS you are more or less expecting to find it... I wonder if it couldn't be you who see inappropriate stuff where it doesn't belongs :D

@bio again: about the woman issue, I googled it myself and I found this interesting read here:
http://arthistory.about.com/cs/last_...ohn_v_mary.htm

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Either way, why would it be such an issue if it was female?

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Well, it is in the "DaVinci Code" book... But I dunno if he got it from there.

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i new about the hand with the Knife before... i had never seen it so I never thought anything of it. But when I read the Da Vici Code the book talks about it and I then I became more interested

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In a world where there's only an illusion of free speech, and an illusion of individual rights, then this is the kind of crap that you get. Left unchecked, it will keep on getting worse with time.

Governments go through a whole lot of trouble to convince us that we are free and have rights, but it's all just bullshit if we cannot say whatever we want to say, and we are forced to function exactly like serfs.

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what if the only thing we want to say is the things we can say.. arent we free then?

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Whether or not that would be free speech depends on what you "can say".

The problem there is that everyone's opinion of whats legal to say differs. There will allways be a minority group making a huge stink over nothing.

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SOmetimes it is the "minority group" who claim that it is their right tonot have you giving them information, thus, they are freee. And you are no longer.

Other times as Hang says, a group makes a stink over nothing. Quite often the group that does so is not minority, just the scum of the world.

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well done Leagle.

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The censoship issue gets tricky when individual rights are considred. For example, some advertising should not be allowed at all if you are forced to view it. For example, I don't have to watch TV if I don't want to see offensive TV ads, but if I go out for a walk on the public roads, and I am hit with nothing but what I consider to be offensive billboard ads, then do I have a choice not to look at them?

If I have to seek it out, then anything goes, but if I have no choice and it is forced into my view, then I should have an opportunity to get pissed off and complain about it.

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in this very example the ad in question had been put to display in ONE place.

I just wanted to point this out.

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It doesn't matter if the group will be witnessing what they're complaining about, they'll raise a fuss and say that what they're doing is "for the children" or for the "greater good of society".

If you replaced "moral violence" with "sense of humour" then her statement would actually make sense.

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Well, I doubt sense of humour is dangerous for our children, but I see the point.

Those bishops continuously ramble to their sheep that faith goes in pair with doubt, and now they defend things so sacred they are untouchable, unquestionable, undoubtable and even unjokable if the term needs to be coined !!

If they expect to gather more adepts I'm afraid they aren't taking the right way. Bah. Their problem.

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The problem is both capitalism and democracy. We are indoctrinated to believe they are the same, only lashing out at one or the other when we want something done our way.

The real problem is more fundamental than that, while both systems cause immense trouble, the alternatives are hardly better. The problem is the public, those who disagree and foreigners. Always has been, always will be. Oh, and anyone who agrees with your point of view, but needs to beat you for one reason or another.

There really is no proper solution.