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Okay, give me one good reason why i should study hard for freaking 85 kid songs, i should know them by hearth tomorrow!!! Insanity!8o

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because music rocks! :)

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yeah.. why should you?.. *dontgetit*

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i tell you, its torture! aargh

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u work as a clown or some kids entertainer or something ?????:(

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i once wanted to do that.....because i juggle

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i am doing a study to become a primary school teacher. I'm at the 2nd grade (year), anyway, this is bs!

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good luck ...once ur a teacher u could make a daily log of what went on today :D primary sckool students have the weirdest questions an do the weirdest things :)

edit: can u list the 85 songs u have to learn...would be interesting to see how many i know (if it's in english that is) :)

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OMG is that really needed. :P
(stuffing yr mind with songs instead of important things to know about kids)

Good luck. /* cough cough */

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LOL @ MusicMan ( ^way above^ )

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Somehow I have my doubts if these kiddie songs really rock that much... :D
If only you could select which songs to teach 'em... would sure be a funny thing to see a primary school class sing "Highway to Hell", hehe...
Btw, a friend of mine works in a Kindergarten, and he's a metalhead. He's tattooed (a huge dragon wielding a scythe, all over his back, and an inverted cross (!) on his right shoulder), he usually runs around in metal T-shirts, and he even taught children the classical Heavy Metal hand gesture... I think you know what I mean. ;) When his colleagues ask him why "his" children make that gesture, he says that he has taught them to make "the snail"... :D
Stefan will probably teach children how to play CS just right... or wait a minute, nowadays it could be that a six-year-old will own him on any map - the times, they are a-changin'... 9_9

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f34r he turns them all into bots instead :P

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don't ask, just do it ...

I got better stuff if you want, you know :)
even n-dimensional weird stuff, not just plain music :D

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Might happen... I can almost see him when recess starts: Standing near the blackboard, he will point vaguely in the direction of the yard and issue a "Storm the Front", and his pupils will leave the class room and sneak down to the yard, covering each other on the way down...

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i passed the test!!! wo00t. Barely though, but i made it.

Anyway, somehow the school believes you must have some kind of 'bagage' for musical songs, so thats why we have to learn 85 songs.

Btw, my kids... erm, well they aint bots. I try to seperate ai and real life as much as possible ;) Anyway, as i said to PM earlier, my ultimate goal now is to make a game (computer game) with the entire class... think off:

- creating graphics
- logic (programming in a way)
- sounds
- rewarding system for learning...
- interaction
- presentation
etc.

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85 songs for every situation.. if a child starts crying you will sing this song.. and if someone is heart you sing one of these..

i didnt mind singin when i was little.. but those freaky songs we had to sing i didnt like..

what is the age of the class?.. older then i think?

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congrats on the test dude !

/me pops a beer for Stefan

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Word. Man, if they had sung good stuff like "I wanna rock" by Twisted Sister or something... :D Btw, I can imagine that kids would have a great time singing this song, especially in the chorus: "I wanna rock - ROCK!"... Or some old songs dating back to the middle ages - history and music in a kid-friendly package! Ah, school could have been so much more... 9_9
/me stops moaning and opens a bottle for Stefan, who'll certainly do a better job than many of the teachers I had... =) Thumbs up!

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Actually over here there's an ad on TV for Evian water where babies are singing "We will rock you", the tune has now even become famous (and I hate it btw...)

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well, the songs are ranging from kids of 4 years old till 12 years old. but, when i give lessons on music and such, i often take a more modern song , something that 'lives' with the children. True, some songs are just really school-like. But i also did 'We will rock you' and also some others... its just cool.

I also had a lesson with music from The Matrix and also LOTR. The kids LOVE it.

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Hmmm, yeah... "We Will Rock You" is really great or football stadiums, but beyond... oh well. Anyway, an ad with this song is still cooler than Britney Spears covering "I love Rock'n'Roll" (as if!!!).
And for school - man, and Matrix and LOTR music! Wow, that's really cool, I wish we had had stuff like that in our music classes... :(
How about "The Wall"? There's a children's choir in it anyway... :D

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I used some sort of experience driven , erm, how to call it... well lets say we where going to paint music. So, when you hear music, you have some kind of image with it. I want to talk about this with children, let them experience it.

Its quite cool to hear what kids say about it. Some find it exiting, some find it scary.

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Matrix songs ?
Rage Against The Machine or Marylin Manson ? :D
do your kids really scream out: WAAAAAKE UUUUUUP??? :D

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This sounds really interesting - I think it's a good way to make children experience both the power and the value music can have. Because if you can really experience music (instead of just having it as background filler, like most ppl do) I guess it can be a bit like a good book: You don't just consume something, but you do something with it. Your brain does something with it. The music triggers off your imagination, your feelings, your fears... and you will find parts of yourself being reflected in the music - and what reflects (or if anything reflects at all) depends on each individual person. No bullshit, I think teaching children this experience is so important! Many things are nice to know, but this is really the core, the heart of what music is about. And if you don't stick to any standardized repertoire (which is often there because some so-called experts made a one-sided decision on what's important and what not), you will encourage them to go and look for interesting music...

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yes, it is quite interresting to see what children draw and how they feel about music. I mostly try to have lots of interaction in my lessons. I try to get their 'world' pictured in my mind, so i know what their interests are, and when i know them i will use them to form my lesson. Like, with maths, you can make it plain and boring. But when a lot of kids like to play with flippo's or whatever, you can do that famous 24 game and also start making sums with that...

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Uhm... tell me, what are flippos? And what's that "famous 24 game"?
Be my teacher... :D

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hey stefan, could you maybe extend that methods to some other areas like university ? the math lectures need sometimes something like this I guess ;)

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@ Asp, this is one of the most common known ways. All your teachers should atleast know who Piaget is! And atleast know how to make their lessons interesting... ask some. When they dont know how to tell the pedagogic sides of a lessons and how to get students/kids envolved and actually get them thinking , well, then its a bad case!

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I agree with Stefan. Unfortunately very few of the teachers I had actually did anything positive regarding my will, as a kid, to learn everything. Most of them were still in the old "pupils MUST make efforts to learn" shape of mind. I think I learned much more by myself by reading books and stuff here and there that I ever learned at school (I was a freaking HORRIBLE pupil, counted more than 300 hours absence during my last year in school :D the 300 hours milestone was a bet, and I won it :D)

I hope something good happens to that old education microcosm before society beaks apart 9_9

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I always wondered at school if the teachers where really interested in the lessons they gave. Like, they just grabbed book nr A, lesson B and said thats it. Okay, sometimes they explain it, but then again i think, why do they do it like that? Show me practical stuff, make it FUN for me and interesting.

As for coding, i totally learned it myself, i grabbed a book and with pure interest i learned to code. When i am not interested or not in the mood, i wont do it.

Although 'not in the mood' is not 'doable' at a school (well, there is ONE school who lets kids almost 100% free in what they want to learn) , i do think you have to motivate kids and make your lessons attractive. Even some boring stuff should be made interesting.... although that is NOT easy.

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I agree. However, one side of the problem is the schedules to which the schools themselves must adhere. In 99% of all cases, teachers are simply not allowed to decide (to a certain extent) what they want to teach and how they are going to teach it. In Germany, the system focuses on the way and not on the goal. Instead of saying: "Listen, guys, we want every pupil to know this and that stuff - how you teach that is up to you". This would make it possible for schools to earn a certain profile by offering different teaching methods, and at the same time parents and children could choose a school which suits them well.
Another problem to address is what teachers learn. In many cases, even teachers who will teach English to very young children are required to know, interpret and even spontaneously translate tons of English literature, but until some months ago, they were not required to spend a single lousy day at an actual school, in an actual classroom with real pupils. The pedagogic and didactic aspect of their work is totally neglected, and thus it's no surprise to see many teachers who know the stuff they are supposed to teach, but they are unable to convey it - the result is well-known: boredom and that feeling of being stuffed with unnecessary knowledge against your will.
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Btw, Pierre: It seems we were similar pupils - in my last years, I missed a LOT. Once when I came to school some classmates told me that their teacher had asked if I had moved and changed to another school... :D