I stopped on POXBot
 

Before I start: this is not the “which bot is better?” question.



I had a break in “single player CS” for about half a year (diploma project L). I remember playing with POXBot last time. So players/dev: Comparing to POX which one would you recommend for best “human like” experience? Maybe still POX? Just cant play on the net, have CS1.5 and want have some fun.







p.s.

And to all Bots United founders: GREAT JOB! All U great coders and designers UNITE! And do something together… maybe new FPS…?

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

Hi kedat, and welcome to the BU forums!

If you liked POXBot (I did, too) it might be the wisest choice for you to stick to a bot that's similar in behaviour and performance. This offers several alternatives, as POXBot was based on Count Floyd's unfinished PODBot 2.6 sourcecode. Some other programmers / coders also took this source code as a basis to develop their bots, which as a result behave pretty much like POXBot, but offer better stability and features.

[E]PODbot is one of them - I never checked it, though, since I'm using a different bot. Well, you can just go to the [E]PODbot section and test it! As far as I know, it uses the old PB 2.5 waypoints, so you won't have to d/l new ones.

IvPbot is another PB 2.6-based bot. I tried an old IvP version some time ago and was a bit disappointed, as it seemed very close to PODbot 2.5 then. Bots didn't move across the entire map like they did in POXBot, and in as-maps, the VIP always took the shortest way. But that's some time ago, and i bet it has improved a lot.

JoeBot has been tested by one of my LAN mates a LONG time ago - and according to him, PODBot 2.5 was better. Last week, another one of my LAN mates tested an up-to-date JoeBot version and was pretty pleased, although the bot we are using right now still seemed to be better, at least at a first glance. I never tried JoeBot myself, so I can't tell you more. It uses a different waypoint system than the PODbot family.

If you don't want to mess with waypoints and don't have a server running all the time, where at some time there may be only bots and no humans online, RealBot could be something for you. It doesn't use waypoints; instead, bots learn from human players.

The bot me & my friends have moved to is the PODBot version developed by Pierre-Marie Baty. It works as a metamod plugin, features a nice waypoint editor and offers bot navigation & behaviour that's at least as good as POXBot's, plus way better stability. I'm really happy with it, but once again: I don't know much about other bots.

Since most bots are quite easy to install / uninstall (most just redirect the liblist.gam to the corresponding bot dll), this might be a good occasion for you to try them all and choose which one you like most. For example, ShrikeBot is one recent addition to this site - why not check it? I have been using PODbot for some time new, and I'm a PODbot waypointer, so I'm not in the ideal situation to check other bots, but if I were in your situation (just looking for a bot to play offline), I would. Happy testing ;)

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

Thnx

This meant to be my second question, about PMB ver of POD. I bet he didn’t know what is he getting into... Guy CAN code + CAN think = very promising combination :). I'll give it a try, but I thought POX went long way from POD and PMB was just fixing ver 2.6.



Thnx for detailed answer and your time >BKA< T Wrecks

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

Actually that's true, I'm just FIXING bugs in Count Floyd's bot, I don't intend to add any feature - the goal is to recover the same performance as POD-bot 2.5 with the very buggy 2.6 source code ; this way perhaps some people will reconsider putting POD-Bot + mEAn mod servers online while waiting for the next generation bots :)

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

The GameExpirience is really OK. I like it. "Just FIXING", heh... keep "fixing" it then we will have next generation BOT ;) unless the "next generation" is something that our minds can't reach today... then I'm waiting for that.

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

Have you popped into the RACC-AI thread already? If so, you've seen one hell of a next generation bot coming. If not, go there and be prepared to see something that's more than just promising...
But for the time being, PMB's "fixed" PB 2.5 is really a great alternative. The biggest improvements in contrast to the old version are the full MetaMod compatibility and full support for as-maps. Not to mention the stability and Austin's waypoint editor (although this is also just a "fixed version"). I love it and I will stick to it for some more time, I guess.

Happy bot fragging! (or being fragged by bots, hehe...)

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

No, I just read some theory. WOW! I can't imagine fitting all that AI in one frame... must be much more CPU hungry than POD.
I think POD is bit easier then POX.

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

or Kedat , you can try my SniperSquad (its a bot!) , I will upload it here if you are interested to try it !

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

sniperJ
210.187.192.237 (email sniperJ7@hotmail.com)
Banned.

Banned you were, 3Colors, banned you stay.

@ all the others: sniperJ has no bot to show you. See http://forums.bots-united.com/showthread.php?t=1067 for an explanation of who he is.

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

sad...

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

Indeed. What a moron... using his parents' email account... Well, let's not waste our time with things that aren't worth it.

Kedat, you said PODs were easier than POXs. Come to think of it, you are right, at least as far as I remember POX. But since the new PODbot works as an MM plugin, you can also add the botaim plugin. And of course, it's all a matter of the bot settings. What settings do you prefer? I left mine on default for each "skill group", except for the turnspeed. I _slightly_ lowered it to make bots more human-like. And then I play with bots of a skill level from 60-100. I think it's ok that way, but of course I'm no pro or league player, so for others those bots may be sleeping pills...
Maybe you could even raise some of the bots' skill entries in the cfg and/or decrease bot handicaps beyond the default settings?

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

I believe if POD-bot is easier than PoXBot it's just a matter of config files indeed. With the metamod port I did of POD-bot I included Austin's bot servers botskill.cfg files.

Lower a bit the reaction time of the bots and raise their turn speed, and you should end up with a very convincing bot. If you want the exact same performance as PoXBot, just copy and paste PoXBot's settings into the POD-bot config file.

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

I'll try with POX config than. Bot works great even when there is 20 of them :). There is one thing I dont like with all those bots - AIMING! I liked that smooth one with the 1.6 bot. By the way, what happened to that bot? It seemed very good!

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

kedat, want smooth aiming with these bots ?
http://racc.bots-united.com/releases/botaim_plugin.exe

it's BETTER than the 1.6 bots imo 8)

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

hey PMB , i am here for the last time this time , i really have a bot called SniperSquad , I upload it here , then , u can banned me , use nuke to blast me or what else u can do to me , and for those guy who liked or use my bot and u found any bug , e-mail me at

deck_michael_135@hotmail.com

this time , i PROOF that i am not an empty vessels ! the bot is for 1.5 only !

*hope*
-I can survive at this forum (imposibble)
-to all bots-united council member
*hopefully u all will be success controlling this forum , don't let some people like me join the forum !

Your Sincerly,

The Secod (3)COLORS , slash-evil , noname , PBlover
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


*EDITED BY MODERATOR* the attachment has been removed (ripped software)

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

This release don't have waypoints , download it here

[removed download link for waypoints to ripped bot]

Create a new waypoint folder (WPTDEFAULT)in the snipersquad folder and unzip all the waypoint into it

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

This is not SniperSquad, this is POD-bot. Period. You RIPPED POD-bot. And ripping people's work is LAME. You have not done ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT to POD-bot to deserve the right to call it another name. FOR THE LAST TIME IT IS NOT YOUR BOT, IT IS COUNT FLOYD'S BOT. YOU HAVE NOT FIXED ANYTHING, YOU HAVE NOT ADDED A SINGLE WORTHY FEATURE.

Anyway you were banned, and so shall you stay. If you re-register for a 5TH time we will be forced to ban ALL the IP address class from Malaysia to prevent you to register again. Which would be unfair to your fellow countrymates who are certainly a bit smarter than you.

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

rofl i know the netblock's allready, lets check in the meantime which others might be to block too :-)

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

Incredible, this guy. If his performance lived up to his persistence, he might actually release something good eventually. But no.
You know what? Yesterday I d/l'ed his waypoint pack because I thought "hey, maybe he HAS made something decent at least once in his life"... bad idea. No, good idea. I don't recall the last time when I started the day with such a hearty laugh. Age-old PB V5 (!!!) waypoints by poor Count Floyd mixed wildly with more recent, but average to poor waypoint files. After fixing my 803 cs_beirut nodes (resulting in a 160 kB file) I checked out the WP included in his pack - 28 kB. *LOL* Yeah, right. Now I know that he would really be no loss for the BU forum... how old id this guy? 13? He sure behaves as if he was...

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

Cool I like it! Why not build it into "PMB_POD_FIX" :> PLZ PLZ PLZ.

Re: I stopped on POXBot
 

because these are 2 different things. The botaim plugin works with (almost) all bots, whereas PodFix was made to fix the POD-bot 2.5 bugs ONLY.

You can perfectly have all these plugins running at once, metamod will handle them perfectly well :)