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Don't be fooled by the controled media silence, the election was rigged to high heaven.

Remember the unauditable vote machines? There's no valid reason for a paperless unverifyable machine other than to allow for a rigged election.

There's been plenty of reports of election fraud comming in, take a peek starting here ...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ <- run by a republican btw

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I have come to the conclusion that the republican party cashed in on having those 11 states vote for a ban on gay marriage at the same time as the presidential election. This issue blindsided the democratic party and brought out many republican voters who otherwise wouldn't have voted...

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damnit wrecks... i wish i would dissagree more with you... would be fun to have a discussion ;)

about gay marriage... it's funny how people struggle so hard to make life a little tougher for a few individuals... If people struggled just as hard to help the 3rd world, I'm sure we wouldn't have hunger in africa right now...

But then, thats how things are on this planet, i guess.

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...if this one aint a memorable quote, then I don't know what you're looking for !

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You get me to wish we had a "Memorable Quotes" board here on BU, where the concentrated wisdom of the intellectual BU elite is collected for our children and nephews... :P

@ botmeister: I totally agree with you on those stone-age voting machines... the same goes for that registration system. Whose vote counts, whose doesn't? If they had mandatory registration there anyway (not before an election, I mean in general), things could be as easy as in Europe: Every registered citizen in legal age gets a polling card some weeks before the election. Then, at the day of the election, you go to your polling station, show this polling card plus your ID card to prove that you are the entitled person, then they take your polling card, and you vote. Either with country-wide indentical voting sheets or by equally normed polling computers that show you what you voted before you can confirm.

It's beyond question that the USA are technically more than capable of making their polling system fool-proof and fraud-proof. The question is: Don't they want to change it for some reason or don't they even care?

What I meant by "undisputed" is that no matter how chaotic the election may have been, there is no doubt that Bush got more votes this time, and that even a correction of all "mistakes" or "accidents" would not change the outcome. I should have said that the outcome is undisputed, not the election itself.

@ sPlOrYgOn: Tsk, tsk, tsk... you naughty boy, you! ;)

@ Exilibur: I have to give back that compliment... your "global warming for more rainforests" post was the best troll I've ever seen. SO good, in fact, that I knew I had too little knowledge in that particular area to prove the opposite. You're damn good at debating, too.

@ sfx 1999: Yes, that's a good point. This might indeed be at least one reason why gay relations (married or not) are regarded as immoral. But it may be even more: I think many Conservatives refuse to realize that being gay is not a decision. They act as if gays had said: "You know what? We're tired of your boring morals and your Christian mumbo-jumbo - from now on, we'll have sex among each other just for the fun of it, and give a sh*t about your God." But it's not like that. Discovering that you're gay can't be a fun thing, I figure. And people don't choose to be gay... they just are that way. Nobody really knows how. Maybe it's the genes, maybe something else... Anyway, it's nothing you can change. It's nothing that can be avoided by getting a hold on yourself and clinging to some kind of morals. Telling a gay person to stop his wrongdoing and come back to "normal" morals is like telling a naturally blue-eyed person to kindly stop that bullshit and go back to brown eyes again.

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I personally think that the e-voting machines should print out a ballot and you should drop it in a box (which is then counted). That way you can verify who the machine voted for, and it leaves a paper trail. It's the ease of E-voting that is extremely difficult to fraud.

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actually if I were to launch a troll I'd say this has yet to be proven (as well as the opposite, by the way) :|

oops... my troll escaped

*edit*

whoa, and it's a big one :D

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Being gay develops just like any other sexual deviance would, probably from some sort of childhood experience that causes something in the brain to end up being wired differently.

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what i heard is that you are not just gay or straight.. you are alittle bit of both.. by chance some become more of one side..

in my next life i wanne become a good looking lesbien.. ;)

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I think it's time to close this thread...;)