Nav editing custom maps for CSBot for CS:Source

[dead bwoy]

Even though the bots are not yet available to play with, we can still get started with nav editing for custom maps! I've composed a listing of bot commands and the binds I use for nav editing over on the CSBot forums:
http://www.turtlerockstudios.com/forums/csbot/

A notice to all mappers: There are some new ladder entities which CSBot relies on to navigate ladders properly. If your map does not use these entities, your map will not be compatible with CSBot's auto navigation process!

[dead bwoy]

Mike has posted this in the TRS forums:

Originally Posted by Mike

Don't get too carried away with nav editing yet. We are adding and tweaking many of the nav commands as we work on the CS:Source Bot.
For instance, ladder navigation has had a complete reworking - including optionally manually editing and adding navigation ladder information.
-Mike

So I guess we should wait...
Steam news does report the full SDK coming out this next week as well as an extra surprise for the community... could it be the bots???
hmmmmmmmm..........

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

I'm not surprised he reworked a lot of stuff ; what surprises me is that he still seems to have trouble with his ladder code... Is that really so complicated ? So far I've never had problems having bots to find the right side of ladders using a few tracehulls. He could come and post here in the coding forum ; I'd be happy to share ideas on this subject.

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Well, ladders seem to be a prob with many bots. I remember using an old RACCbot, and it used ladders ok on some CS_mariocastle map (hehe, what a funny map, I always fell off the castle for some reason... ) but liked to camp there... the little buggers.

I thought they'd do an overhaul for the waypointing. But dead_bwoy, can CZ maps be used on CS:S? if so I can do a few nav's to help out.

[dead bwoy]

Well, they've changed alot of things so far...
1) Ladders:
I'm not too sure how it'll end up, but there are some new ladder entities in the current fgd:
func_ladder
func_ladderendpoint
func_usableladder
info_ladder_dismount
There is also a ladder texture now! I'm not positive, but I think this texture automatically makes the brush a func_ladder.
2) Waypointing for CSBot for Source
Almost all of the waypointing commands have been changed, and many of the major problems fixed with the auto-analyzation process. For instance, you now run around the map and place walkable_surface markers as seeds for generating the navmesh.
3) CZ maps in source
Czero maps are the old HL1 engine format, HL1 maps and HL2 maps are NOT compatible. Any old map ported to Source must be re-compiled with new textures and some entity changes from the original rmf or map file.
If you mean can cz waypoints be used on source, I highly doubt it! de_dust for czero has some major differences from the new source version of the map. I'm sure there would be some consistancy problems, or the nav would not pass the sanity check.
I will be putting together a new tutorial for nav editing for the Source engine once the bots are finally released. I'll try and get some good screenies to use too.

MarD, I take it, you're not getting Source just yet?

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Well, I know a lot of the source engine is based on the original HL engine, so I thought there'd be compatiblity between the 2, seeing that *I'm not going into deep details for a reason*someone leaked something from CZ to CS:S with ease....

[sPlOrYgOn]

the source engine isn't based on the original hl engine..
and no one converted something leaked from cz to cs:s..
they "stole" the source stuff last year..