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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

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Aye, I think the bots should keep their superhuman turning because at skill 0 it is still easy for me to be 5-1 against them in a 6 vs 6 match.
Hence the setting in POD that turns superhuman turning on or off...
  
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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

This is podbot? Wow.


Just make it so that the bots have two attributes for reaction... Sensitivity and Reaction Time. Sensitivity will prevent the bots from instantly snap to a target unless its above ~30 and Reaction Time will prevent them from acquiring a target until a random number between two times. .03 and .1 are typical of humans, from what I can tell.
  
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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

... You really don't understand, do you? I mean, that's why they put the setting in POD to turn superhuman aiming on or off, and probably exactly what we should do.

You don't want lock-on crosshairs, sorry about that.


Plus, reaction times for humans are between 0.08 and 0.20 seconds for thinking and reacting, just make the bot wait a random number between that (or higher, like 0.50, for lower skilled bots) before adjusting their aim, to compensate for their near-zero reaction time.
  
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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

well lets just say you feel like kicking some ass one day and you turn on the bots because you can kick their asses all day. BUT they have like .08 reaction time and by the time you see one pixel of their bodies you're dead. "OMG" "H4X0Rz" "G4Y"; it would be nice if the INI files actually affected the settings... still looking into that.
Also in the morning, my reaction time is somewhere around from 1 second to 3 seconds (really);
One more thing is that I play with a tactical AMX mod where it is one shot one kill. The ONLY way to kill the bots first is with the HE Grenade... Even when they're flashed they own.
One comment that I will probably not fix is windows. Bot cannot see through windows (But I can baby!) [ more technical terms, they cannot see through func_walls, but they have vision through func_illusionary ]
It would be really cool if I can get 10 Sucky Terrorist bots vs 3 Really Godlike CT bots to have an even match (Ever played Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield's Lone Wolf? [the demo at least] )

[edit] perhaps the computer has something to do with bot skill?
STATS: (Srry about the approx. I'm Away from MY computer)
2600~ MHz Intel Pentium
512~ MB RAM, approx. 1GB Virtual Memory
64MB Intel "EXTREME" GFX Card (Most HL Mods run at 30fps tops)
2 HDs, C: 80 GB 95~% free; E: 160GB 85~% free;
Windows XP Home Edition
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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

I say .03 because usually when you encounter somebody you dont even think you simply hit the trigger, it happens often on dust when you are -waiting- for somebody to pop out of tunnel and theres little thinking. You see, you shoot.


Yangmungi, calm down.

Turn down the bot personality settings if they kill you.

The bots WILL NOT shoot at you if they see one pixel of you, they usually require at least a view of your head and chest, but if they know where you are they seem to have no problem shooting through walls if they can see your legs, arms.



YOU might not be able to kill them with that reaction time, but other people can. So are you saying we should intentionally inhibit and create a 'minimum' reaction and sensitivity just because you don't edit your personality settings?!

Although, I should cut you some slack, for the last few WIPs RealBot has not read the inis properly. For example, I tested 50 to 60 second reaction time, and it only applies on the first encounter with an enemy, and is ignored every time thereafter.
  
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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

What we need is for someone to spend a day or two reading the code and trying to understand it... Anything that doesn't make sense should be posted to a thread (1 thread for all proofreading) where we can post fixes.
  
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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

ok thnx V (or Tex) it was the inis that were pissing me off
I DEFINITELY think that there should NOT be a minimum setting.

I cant get the code cuz im in another country right now (And the bitch i am i like IDEs)
  
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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

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I say .03 because usually when you encounter somebody you dont even think you simply hit the trigger, it happens often on dust when you are -waiting- for somebody to pop out of tunnel and theres little thinking. You see, you shoot.


Yangmungi, calm down.

Turn down the bot personality settings if they kill you.

The bots WILL NOT shoot at you if they see one pixel of you, they usually require at least a view of your head and chest, but if they know where you are they seem to have no problem shooting through walls if they can see your legs, arms.



YOU might not be able to kill them with that reaction time, but other people can. So are you saying we should intentionally inhibit and create a 'minimum' reaction and sensitivity just because you don't edit your personality settings?!

Although, I should cut you some slack, for the last few WIPs RealBot has not read the inis properly. For example, I tested 50 to 60 second reaction time, and it only applies on the first encounter with an enemy, and is ignored every time thereafter.
Interesting! You do know there is a difference between those? But i seem have to forgotten to apply that low'reaction thiny there.


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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

Is that sarcasm?

Hm, but, the reaction time has only applied once I've seen. Maybe twice. Every time I create a new game with my bots which all have 50-60 second reaction, they don't shoot. Sometimes one will shoot, and kill maybe one bot.

After the first round, they go back to normal superhumanness (which I prefer, even if it means that a bot across the map can do a 180 and nail me in the head with a glock and kill me.)
  
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Default Re: Making Realbot suck at shooting for once - 24-06-2004

no, there was no sarcasm here. I actually do differ these 2. Because when you are 'expecting' someone to come around a corner, you also estimate when to fire .. so your reaction time is faster in that time.

I forgot to include this reaction time field with the '2nd reactiontime' code, i think it should have some influence there too.. although not too much.


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