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>You may forget to get them together to work.

... or you run a debug version and see where it crashes.

anyway, alone they should work. now it'd be interesting if it still crashes when loading only joebot, or only podbot, and if it doesnt crash, that 'meta list' command it was I guess, to know if the plugin even runs properly.

There might also be some information when crashing, e.g. where it crashed. might be hl.exe, joebot_mm.dll, podbot_mm.dll, or whatever other place.