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KWo · **Warning/banning procedure -** 30-12-2004

Don't You , guys, think we need some more clear rules for warning/banning members? I mean about something like I can see at other boards - 3 (or 5) warnings then the member is banned, some info with clear description what EXACTLY is forbidden. I'll give You some example - in our rules there is :

" 9. Postings which involve the use or distribution of software that has been aquired through illicit means are strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, providing help and support in the use of materials that were illegally aquired, such as executables, source code, and documentation. Bots United is not a place where illegal activities of any kind are to be discussed or encouraged, thus assistance, distribution or support for illegally acquired software is not an acceptable behaviour."

I got this as - posting about how to use (some support given to other) or where is possible (link) to download some illegal software - THIS is prohibited. But last time I saw also if somebody was ASKING only about illegal software (but he doesn't need to know yet if it was really illegal) he might be warned. But where is another point, which saying:

" 3. At all times members must display respect towards each other - respect is due, it is not earned. Each member is expected to be polite, tolerant and patient, especially towards new members who may have little experience. In order for our community to thrive, we should welcome our newest members warmly and provide as much assistance as possible."

I'm asking now moderators and (especially) Councils about this "patient" to the people having "little experience". Why nobody asked THE_STORM (I'm talking about him now) - "Do You really want to ask here about illegall software? Be sure You want to do this and look at point 9 of our rules before." or "You are asking about any cracked - illegal version (because for the full one You need to pay)?"

Instead this he got a warning. OK - it's canceled now, but he was just ASKING only, he didn't gave any support for any illegal software (even if he didn't ask about beta , but if he thought about normal - full version - where to download it) and he didn't give any link to it. Maybe need more "patience" then - to make sure someone really deserves for a warning or ban? ???

OK. Maybe at other boards (nuclearbox for example) the people are aslo too much nervous in this warn/ban stuff, but I don't think we need to follow exactly them.

Another thing :

" 7. Explicit political discussions are strongly discouraged, and should be moved to private messaging or off the board entirely. There are many public forums available where politics is considered on-topic and encouraged - Bots United is not one of these forums."

Well - I remember at Offtopic forum there were some politic discussions , even accepted by Mr. President of BU and then nobody said:

"rules are rules, and there are a few good reasons why we have them."

OK - there was no offence and the discussions were tollerable, so nothing wrong happened, but it could happen (like for THE_STORM question somebody could post a link to illegal software - and it was a sufficient reason to warn THE_STORM for bad question).
Why some of rules are more respective (for me sometimes even too much) and some of them are almost ignored?
These situations could go in both cases to wrong ways with wrong effect (post a link to illegal software and start some hating discussion). One of them deserves a warning - the other one - no. Really I don't understand why?

Please - don't get this as some my offence or arogance - I need only clarify something. 9_9

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KWo Developer of PODBot mm Status: Offline Posts: 3,425 Join Date: Apr 2004	Warning/banning procedure - 30-12-2004 Don't You , guys, think we need some more clear rules for warning/banning members? I mean about something like I can see at other boards - 3 (or 5) warnings then the member is banned, some info with clear description what EXACTLY is forbidden. I'll give You some example - in our rules there is : " 9. Postings which involve the use or distribution of software that has been aquired through illicit means are strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, providing help and support in the use of materials that were illegally aquired, such as executables, source code, and documentation. Bots United is not a place where illegal activities of any kind are to be discussed or encouraged, thus assistance, distribution or support for illegally acquired software is not an acceptable behaviour." I got this as - posting about how to use (some support given to other) or where is possible (link) to download some illegal software - THIS is prohibited. But last time I saw also if somebody was ASKING only about illegal software (but he doesn't need to know yet if it was really illegal) he might be warned. But where is another point, which saying: " 3. At all times members must display respect towards each other - respect is due, it is not earned. Each member is expected to be polite, tolerant and patient, especially towards new members who may have little experience. In order for our community to thrive, we should welcome our newest members warmly and provide as much assistance as possible." I'm asking now moderators and (especially) Councils about this "patient" to the people having "little experience". Why nobody asked THE_STORM (I'm talking about him now) - "Do You really want to ask here about illegall software? Be sure You want to do this and look at point 9 of our rules before." or "You are asking about any cracked - illegal version (because for the full one You need to pay)?" Instead this he got a warning. OK - it's canceled now, but he was just ASKING only, he didn't gave any support for any illegal software (even if he didn't ask about beta , but if he thought about normal - full version - where to download it) and he didn't give any link to it. Maybe need more "patience" then - to make sure someone really deserves for a warning or ban? ??? OK. Maybe at other boards (nuclearbox for example) the people are aslo too much nervous in this warn/ban stuff, but I don't think we need to follow exactly them. Another thing : " 7. Explicit political discussions are strongly discouraged, and should be moved to private messaging or off the board entirely. There are many public forums available where politics is considered on-topic and encouraged - Bots United is not one of these forums." Well - I remember at Offtopic forum there were some politic discussions , even accepted by Mr. President of BU and then nobody said: "rules are rules, and there are a few good reasons why we have them." OK - there was no offence and the discussions were tollerable, so nothing wrong happened, but it could happen (like for THE_STORM question somebody could post a link to illegal software - and it was a sufficient reason to warn THE_STORM for bad question). Why some of rules are more respective (for me sometimes even too much) and some of them are almost ignored? These situations could go in both cases to wrong ways with wrong effect (post a link to illegal software and start some hating discussion). One of them deserves a warning - the other one - no. Really I don't understand why? Please - don't get this as some my offence or arogance - I need only clarify something. 9_9 Last edited by KWo; 30-12-2004 at 15:58..