Some upgrades for pod-bot?
 

I have question/suggestion about pod-bots. So I played some maps with them and I think need some upgrades them, You see that when You and one of them ar shooting each other then You duck and shoot and they are running and shooting I think that's are unreal and sometimes when I shoot at one of them he is circle around and that's I hate most because I can't hit them when they do that. :/ And one thing with knife. When I meet someone then I take knife to stab him then he take knife out but not to stab me but he run away with knife then I go after him and he fool me and take out gun and shot me. That I don't like. http://forums.alliedmods.net/images/smilies/frown.gif
So can You change that they don't camp at round start it special on assault/italy maps when I am on CT team then I go through side door and I see that 10 of 15 Terrorist are in base and stand there I can't even shot one of them when I am dead. Maybe create that they all go through all place's to kill CT's and maybe 3 or 4 of them guard hostages. It is possible that those bots can create more smarter something like reall players ?
For now I don't know what to suggest.

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They have to fool You otherwise I'm getting a lot of complaints this bot is too easy (because too much predictable). I have seen the people were also running left/right to make them as more hard to hit (but yes - they didn't do cicrles). If You know they are camping somewhere - fool them too - use flashbangs. They are getting affected by flashbangs - didn't You know that? :)

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Yes, I know that I can flash them :D But when they are flashed after two seconds they are shooting like before flash it's not fairly because flash slowly disappear but after two seconds they see all normal. But if normal player are flashed it takes him at least 5 seconds to calm down and see whats are going on. But for bots it's only 2 seconds before they attack again. :D
And about that "easy kill" maybe add that only on certain bots not for all, and can You create some bots more reall just like it was a real player on server. Example (Bot A spawned as CT on assault map he go up on that building what near to that car and camp with awp or something then he waits for a few terrorists when come out try to kill them he throw a smoke on him self to hide it. Next he goes to back door, he heard some enemys behind a doors he shoot some bullets then throw a hegrenade then reaload and go in throw flash, flashes some enemys kill someone then he run to hide and next rescue hostages.) :D That will be real.

And one more.

How about in de_dust2 One bot spawned as T. He bought a some weapons etc + some nades. And he will camp in T base opposite on B (but still he is on T base.) And he sees that from B place are coming 2 CT's then he throw a flash they are flashed he try to kill them, he kill only one he throw a hegrenade misted then he draw out pistol and kill him... (and it's like a real player.)

I have a noticed that on every team on round start 2 bots are stuck in each other for a few seconds can this be fixed?

And how about in first post with some suggestions? please ? :(

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I cannot write any map related logic. It has to be universal. That's not true they are blinded 2 seconds only. They are starting to shoot (mad shot at last Your position they 've seen You before blinding, but it's not true they can see You right after. Be more smart and use more flashbangs to blind them more. :)

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Okay then it's not a big deal with a flash...

Then maybe create more real bots like I said in second post and some upgrades. :)
Can You ? :P

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Like KWo said, flash time should be the same period of time for bots as it is for humans. I always wait till the flashed bot fired all remaining bullets from his gun, then I pop up in front of the bot to find myself an easy kill cause the bot will mostly be reloading then.

The unstuck code is approved succesfull some versions before.
2 seconds is almost nothing compared to the 30+ seconds before :P

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So is it so hard to add some another suggestions what I suggested? :(

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Maybe.
I'm not a bot coder but I know it is not easy. Certainly not easy to convert an idea/improvement into bot-code.
The idea is the easy step, getting it into a playable/fittable/unbuggable podbot_mm.dll file is the hard step.
Also most of the ideas has been asked before and some even added.
Remember, a bot can never obtain the gameplay a human has.

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Well, making a bot more human-like isn't really an idea, more like an unfillable desire.
Implementing an idea and making podbbot mm stable afterwords has to be hard. It is for making a Portal System.

Humans actually do things at random.
They choose a sequence of things at random.
Wiether they randomly choose to camp and wait for the person / bot to reappear or they run away to hide at an advantage camping spot. Even engaging is randomly picked, but how they engage is up to the person wiether to fly over boxes and jump down and slaughter the enemy or even to engage and do it silently.

Everything is random, but making the bot know what the sequences are especially in changable maps has to be difficult. They have to randomly choose the apporpriate sequence and be able to navigate around the map correctly. To me the mere thought is confusing and difficult sounding.

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Yes. Especially when I don't have time to work on it. Actually I'm working on ChickenMod Orange Edition.

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Ancient, you couldn't explain that better :clap:
It's hard for me to explain those things in a language wich is not my birth-language.
Srry, getting :offtopic:

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Ok, now something I understand about them that it's not easy to add some of those things.

Yeah , but it sound more realistic that You can actually play like with some humans. :D
And for a bots maybe take off that in every round start they say : Fallow me because I dont like that almost all bots are follow to one of them instead of round start follow me in every new round bots will go to each
place. (ok, I can't say it, because I don't know how to say it I hope You understood me.) Then It will be realistic if that follow me will be take out.
And then again bots won't do missions sometimes in de_ maps they not always set up c4 and CT's not always defusing it but run some place else.
And it's on cs_ maps same thing CT's not allways try to rescue hostages and sometimes one of CT take only one hostage and try to rescue him. And they allways camp in vents and I don't like that because I send them radio message : go go go and they don't respond and sit there and I'm amid then in vent and I can't get out, then round are over and hostages are not resuced.

LOL, sounds funny. :)

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Well, you are trying to say that the bots should sometimes avoid completeing their mission.
Once in awhile don't plant c4 and sometimes don't rescue hostages.
I can see that being a good feature.

One I thought might be good is to auto kick and auto add a bot after being kicked to regulate the different names on a server. Sounds stupid but seems more realistic and will drag people in.

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You say that it's good that bots don't do the mission?

Yeah, that seem cool that bots will be auto kicked but is there plugin like that to add with pod-bots?

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Well, podbot mm could have its own feature to auto kick a bot every 5 or 10 minutes then a little later add another bot with a different name. Like simulating a real server.

About not completing a mission or goal isn't good or bad. It is a nice feature that should be added, but I'm not saying it is a good or bad idea.
A human doesn't complete a goal every single mission. However, they try to. Sometimes when a CT is to save a hostage, they don't because they are afraid to move from a spot especially when they have a certain weapon.

Like if a passive bot is alone and has to save a hostage, it can make a random choice to either try to rescue a hostage or just camp there like a scared person would.
And I know when I play with humans that sometimes they don't try and defuse the bomb/c4. This not completeing a mission is going to make it seem more human-like, but it is probably more complex to put it into code than putting it into an idea.

If you look at newer games, you see them saying how they have to put hundereds of lines of codes to put in certain cases and then the AI (Bot) has to choose them at random or choose the correct one in a specific case. Since KWo has little time and isn't getting paid to do this stuff, not every feature will be added unless they are simpiler and recomended by many and has value in them.

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Go to podbot.cfg and find the setting
pb_numfollowuser and change the value You have there to 0. They will not follow anybody. I don't remember, but maybe they also don't use follow me command anymore.
Look at the direction You want them to go and call "Storm the front" - they should go. Eventually go to the place You want them to come to and call "Taking fire need assistnce". Try to be more smart than they are. :P

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So I thought is there something like this that some of bots are passive then others, thats way they don't do missions?

This is good idea so it has done already or it will be make someday, sounds good if every new round will be coming new bots in server. :)

KWo, thanks again for more info. If I could I would add +K to You if this be possible. :D

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About the follow me command.
If I'm not mistakin', only the bot carrying the C4 will give the command on round start ( just to increase the chance to get the C4 there on time )
But by saying this, CT's won't give that radio command, so I'm not sure of what I am saying now ( can not test myself )

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Is there upgrade that the bots wont see trough smoke? i think i posted a thread to it but i need bots that doesent see trough smoke as fast as possible. if theres no such upgrade does anyone know any bots, that aint podbot or zbot, that in the bots mod they wont see trough smoke. i seriously need to know this :D

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I was trying to fight with that, but it looks it still doesn't work correctly and it needs to be fixed.