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Pierre-Marie Baty 13-12-2003 15:41

USA to legalize spam by january 1st
 
for Nova (we chatted about this yesterday) and for others, good to know :

Quote:

Against the advice of all anti-spam organizations, the U.S. House of Representatives has passed the CAN-SPAM Act, a bill backed overwhelmingly by spammers and dubbed the "YOU-CAN-SPAM" Act because it legalizes spamming instead of banning it. Spam King Alan Ralsky told reporters the passage of the House bill "made my day". Spammers say they will now pour money into installations of new spam servers to heavily ramp up their outgoing spam volumes "all legally".

CAN-SPAM is expected to pass the Senate next week and be signed into law by President Bush on January 1, just in time to kill off California's strong anti-spam law which would have come into effect on January 1 making spamming illegal in California. With the passage of CAN-SPAM, spamming will be officially legal throughout the United States, CAN-SPAM says that 23 million U.S. businesses can all begin spamming all U.S. email addresses as long as they give users a way to opt-out, which users can do by following the instructions of each spammer. Anyone with any sense would of course realize that if CAN-SPAM becomes law, opting out of spammers lists will very likely become the main daytime activity for most U.S. email users in 2004. The second main activity will be sorting through mailboxes crammed with 'legal' spam every few minutes to see if there's any email amongst the spam.

If CAN-SPAM becomes law, from January Europe and the United States will have opposing legislation, as Europe has already introduced legislation making spamming illegal. But 90% of Europe's spam problem originates in the United States where spamming will now be legal, therefore Europe can expect the levels of incoming spam from the United States to more than double during 2004 as U.S. spammers ramp up their output under America's new YOU-CAN-SPAM law.

What this will do for relations between Europe and the United States, is easy to predict with millions of European Internet users already angry at being deluged in American "make-penis-fast" spam. From December 11, spamming will be illegal in the UK, but with 90% of the UK's spam problem originating in the United States, British users will continue to be flooded, now with 'legal' spam from the U.S.

Some spammers are claiming that CAN-SPAM not only allows them to spam legally but that it protects them further by also making it illegal for anti-spam systems to block their spam. In fact, while CAN-SPAM is an abysmally poor law, at least it does have some parts which attempt to address the issue of blocking spam, specifically it states that the law does not impact an ISP's ability to determine and enforce its own policies for transmission of email (i.e: through the use of blocklists or whatever means the ISP likes). This means that spammers cannot sue ISPs for blocking the mail they send claiming that the ISP must accept and deliver it based on the Federal law.

The fact CAN-SPAM makes illegal the use of open proxies or any form of resource misappropriation as well as use of false headers, specifically impacts spammers such as Michigan's Alan Ralsky, as all of Ralsky's spam is sent out with false headers, all through stolen open proxies. So CAN-SPAM does at least give us the law we need to put Ralsky and most of the ROKSO spammers in jail.

To avoid jail, spammers will have to spam from their own resources, readily identifiable IP addresses, rather than steal 3rd party relays and proxies. The problem there, which from January will affect all U.S-based spammers, is that their IPs are constantly listed on the SBL ("Spamhaus Block List"), Spamhaus' free anti-spam system used by ISPs throughout the Internet to reject incoming spam from known spam sources. Therefore one effect of CAN-SPAM we will notice, is that CAN-SPAM will channel spammers straight into Spamhaus' filter which means that in 2004 our SBL system is going to be in even greater demand.
from SpamHaus (anti spam association)
http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=150

Nova 13-12-2003 22:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre-Marie Baty
for Nova (we chatted about this yesterday) and for others, good to know :


from SpamHaus (anti spam association)
http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=150

AHHH !!! Well yhat im gonn do then is whitelist only, gay but everything else will get me BOMBARDED with spam.

stefanhendriks 26-12-2003 13:18

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You know, with Iraq i thought USA was just dumb because they want to show how 'strong and good they are' but now i am convinced those guys at the USA are just really dumb...

this remembers me with Dumb & Dumber... ARH
legalize spam, omfg, the whole damn world is getting nuts!

Pierre-Marie Baty 26-12-2003 14:47

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Nah hopefully people in US aren't THAT dumb... obviously this law passed only because of the pressure all the ultra-liberal e-commerce companies put upon it. I'm still afraid how big money can drive out people's opinion. We're lucky : it would have been the same in Europe if our governments had the weakness to listen to our major european advertisers and business companies. In France for example, there was an almost identical proposal some time ago, but luckily the CNIL (National Commission for Computer systems and people's Rights) and all our anti-spam associations yelled loud enough for the government not to let it pass.

Still, I'm fed up with all those foreign sickos trying to stuff me with their Viagra. My dick is doing well, thank you :)

stefanhendriks 26-12-2003 15:11

Re: USA to legalize spam by january 1st
 
after seeing a documentary about Bush and the money raising for his new elections i am convinced that the USA will let the law pass through.

It seemed the more money you have, the more chance of being elected is there. And as Bush already has more money then all its opponents together, i'd say we are in deep shit :)

The problem with Europe is that we are a Unition without being united.. Erm, i mean, we would like to have some 'one face' but now we are having a power strugle, as that will always be the biggest conflict ever. Oh well, lets keep the nice Christmas thoughts today :D

Pierre-Marie Baty 27-12-2003 01:06

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Idea ! maybe we should start a thread where we would post the most funny spam emails we get, what do you think ?

botmeister 28-12-2003 05:33

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Originally Posted by Pierre-Marie Baty
Idea ! maybe we should start a thread where we would post the most funny spam emails we get, what do you think ?

Yes, I suppose that would be funny.

Also note how politics just won't stay off the forum, may as well allow for it. With our code of conduct and tolerance and respect for free speech and different opinions we should not have the same problems as seen elsewhere. If we do have problems, then we can always change the "law" so to speak.

Pierre-Marie Baty 28-12-2003 13:48

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Yes... actually in our present rules politics are not "forbidden", just "discouraged"... I suppose that's enough :)

botmeister 28-12-2003 21:14

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Agreed.

Leagle 31-12-2003 17:11

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We're banning it in some parts of the EU. Some countries have decided to allow it however. The problem is, most of the stuff is transatlantico, and the laws won't cover that.

SciManAl 31-12-2003 22:32

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yeah free speech in america has its drawbacks, all in all i think the situation is funny as hell...

Aux 04-01-2004 09:18

Re: USA to legalize spam by january 1st
 
This severely pisses me off if it's legit. I'm going to scour the net for news on this sheit.

Pierre-Marie Baty 04-01-2004 15:13

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hey welcome Aux! :)

-=dBy=-Donnelley 05-01-2004 03:26

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I must laugh...I'm not sure where the idea of SPAM got started, but ours is way down. Pres. Bush's last law he signed so threatened the spammers that they backed down far enough for american business to regain a foothold. Even if this 'can spam' goes thru, it will be with restrictions including a do-not-spam list like our FCC just upheld. The american people are just as fed up with spam as the rest of the world, but thanks to (I hate to say it) the Republicans, spam slashing has made my company stock (RRDONNELLEY publications and catalogue mailings) go WAYYYY up and we are getting contracts left and right thanks to it.

Again, I cannot say that my views are more accurate than yours, but being a native of USA, I think (or at least hope) that the president realizes that ALLOWING spam would seriously jepardize his re-election. I doubt that he will sign the 'law' without utter contention and conditions...

-=dBy=-Donnelley 05-01-2004 23:57

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As added incentive, here is a man in Washington using the law to better himself...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=3...and_Junk_Email

Pierre-Marie Baty 06-01-2004 00:59

Re: USA to legalize spam by january 1st
 
I side completely with the guy! The more we harass those buggers the more chances there are that they finally stop it.. besides, 90% of all the spam comes from a known list of 200 people who are known spammers (the ROKSO list, according to SpamHaus.org) - so the victims know who to target back.

TruB 06-01-2004 01:14

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lets spam the spammers.. alteast hack them and the hang them and the kill them and then cut them up and then serv them as burgers to fattys.. no offence im just tired..

-=dBy=-Donnelley 06-01-2004 01:43

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All it's gonna take is a p*ssed off 15 y.o. from Norway or some country other than USA who is tired of being spammed to hack these SPAMjackoffs and teach them a lesson they never forget, like getting into their customers records that support their illegal operations and prosecuting/perscecuting THEM. Look at the 15 year old and that whole DVD thing. That kid was SCARY smart.

Maybe someone someday will hack THEM so badly that they finally give up spamming. Or better yet, put the advertisers themselves out of business first, then a few D.o.S. attacks (if they ever become legal) against the spammin bastards will keep them at bay...yah..it's only a matter of time until the wrong people get angry. It's a shame that the D.o.S. is against the law and you get in major serious BUKU trouble.

Lucky for me that I'm a law abiding citizen and would never support, affiliate, or otherwise tarnish my integrity by showing any type of connection to these hackers.

As a very large company found out when a spokesperson insulted teenage hackers by calling them 'script-kiddies' in an IRC channel, they weren't just that, but rather high tech young thugs with a mission. RULE OF THUMB...NEVER piss off the little guys, because eventually we need them as our friends...And as the company found out quickly, these guys armed only with a few IRC bots, a few ping scripts, and people with broadband was all it took to bring them to their knees...

It's actually scary when you think about it. As I recall the guy sort of apologized in a channel, and the DoS stopped.
It was utterly amazing...If I had that kind of brains, I would be working for the gov't. Well, or the highest bidder anyways..

(grin)

Donnelley

TruB 06-01-2004 12:21

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amen..

Pierre-Marie Baty 06-01-2004 13:44

Re: USA to legalize spam by january 1st
 
I wish anti-spam fight would be proclamed national cause one of these days.

Nova 06-01-2004 14:07

Re: USA to legalize spam by january 1st
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre-Marie Baty
I wish anti-spam fight would be proclamed national cause one of these days.

Well im dont care any more, spamassassin is the answer to our prayers, combined with f-prot, sophos and mcaffe as well as mailscanner = lets say 99% clean emails :)

Pierre-Marie Baty 06-01-2004 14:13

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yes but do you imagine the wasted bandwidth on the network ? More than a half of all the emails sent over the network today is spam. If all spam was to shutdown tomorrow, we'd all play on Steam with 14k modems !!!

Frymiller 12-01-2004 12:49

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oh my god amen guys i hate spam so much


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