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Oh my god! This video is friggen hilarious!!!!! Watch it!!!!! Don't look at the over stuff on the site if you have a weak stomach.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/video...n_01_2005.html

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look, I've heard of that video before, but I don't find it hilarious AT ALL... that cop is a dickhead. have you ever been tazed ? People died of that. That girl screaming wasn't faking at all.

That video is disgusting. Sick. I couldn't watch it to the end. I wish that cop payed for that. Hard. And I'm still awaiting the day when people won't see these tools as toys.

That was just my opinion. If people find it funny, then so be it. The viddy was 1:30 length, it didn't stay 1:15 on my hard drive.

*EDIT NOW* WHEN I SEE SHIT LIKE THESE http://forums.gamertag.com/showthread.php?t=16393 I'M ON A MOOD TO STEAL HEAVY WATER, PLUTONIUM AND A SOME BERYLLIUM SPHERES AND NUKE THE SHIT OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF THE FUCKING AMERICANS. THAT WOMAN WAS NOT BEING A BITCH SHE WAS AFRAID AND PANICKED, PA-NI-CKED AND THAT COP IS A DICKHEAD FOR THREATENING A FUCKING WOMAN FOR A FUCKING SPEED LIMIT, HE TAZED HER TWICE, FUCKING TWICE, ONCE FOR BEING PANICKED AND ONCE FOR SCREAMING IN PAIN AND IF THAT'S THE LAND OF THE BRAVE AND IF THE BRAVE THEMSELVES FIND THAT FUNNY I'M FUCKING PROUD OF BEING A FRENCHMAN !!! I'M MAD !!!!!!!!

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Its not funny because of the pain she was in, which obviously was extensive, its funny because she was avoiding arrest and talking back to that cop and look what she got for it. That cop did nothing wrong, he asked her to get out of the car several times, and when he tried to pull her out she pushed him back. He was protecting himself by pulling that gun. When she became violent and pushed him back like that, how was he suppost to know if she had a weapon on her? Hell, i would have pulled my real gun on her. Heck, he even told her 3x he was going to taze her, but still she refused.

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Not wanting to start a flame war or anything, just wanting to add my own opinion, but I agree with Pierre-Marie Baty in that it's not that funny - that kind of force was totally unnecessary. But, by the same token, maybe he was in a rought neighbourhood where lots of people would pull a gun on a cop for giving them a speeding fine, though in which case "keep your hands on the steering wheel" would have sufficed. Anyway, couldn't see inside the car, so maybe there was cause for concern - but by the time the lady was out of the car, two police officers vs one elctro-shocked lady screaming in pain....I think they could have handled that without another shot.
Again, I should stress that that's just my opnion on the footage - not trying to bait (if it seems that way, then some admin please remove my post and have a go at me).

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Exsessive force.
It's a good thing those devices are banned and illigal here.
Cops use pepper spray very effective hardly any stress.

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not funny man...


and PMB... take it easy on the US man lol...

i have seen a funny taser video i will find it if i can... it is where cops go to this camp and they get tazed but it isn't like sick like that they are doing it cause it is funny. Like a bunch of guys hold hands and they taze one of them and they all fall down it is really goofy lol. One guy takes 3 tasers at one time lol.
here is one funny one lol
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/3cops.html

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I found out where i saw the video but the link no longer works :(
http://www.ddsm.org/volunteer.mpg
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Watch the video and count to yourself how many times the cop warns her....she is the idiot for not pissing her pants the moment she saw that tazer in her face and getting out of the damn car like she was asked.

I dunno guys, maybe i just find humor in weird stuff.

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I totally agree with you, PMB.

People in the US seem to have freaked out since 11 September... Ok, they were a little freaked out before, but no as much.
The thing is, everyone over there seem to suffer of a gigantic superiority complex. Everyone think they are better than the others, and they MUST compete to reach the top, whatever that is. Ya know, I don't think that this video would be here today if Gore was declared president back in 2000...

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i don't think the cop used excessive force... it wasn't funny but still.. i read up on it and found the chick had a susspended license and the cop asked her to get out of the car and get off the phone multipul times... i would say being tazed is better than being riped out of your car and slammed to the ground and cuffed hard core, but that is just me

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If Gore was elected president, we would go back to being pussies and letting terrorists do whatever that wanted. Even if they attacked our country, we would just give them a warning instead of going to their home and flushing the fithly animals out of their holes and bringing them to justice. And why do people from other countries always say that we americans feel we are "above" everyone else? Who does everyone turn to when they are in trouble? Who is the one that always gets stuck doing the world's dirty work? The United States. If you can't deal with the fact that we are in a way "above" everyone else, then stop asking us for help and take care of yourselves. But thats my opinion.

And another thing, what do you mean this video wouldn't be here if Gore was president? The girl had a susspended license and was still driving around illegally. Are you saying that if Gore was elected president, cops would just let criminal acts go unnoticed? Would that have been a good thing? I hardly think so.....

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ok this thread is starting to get out of hand...

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1- Your so-called commander-in-chief did NOT find the "fithly animals". AFAIK Bin-Laden is still at large, and I'm still waiting for Iraq's WMD...

2- Last thing I heard, Panama didn't call for your help, as well as Iraq and Vietnam. You just HAD to go "I-shall-save-these-people-from-(insert lame excuse here)" and send the army to improve your own economy, because that's what it is based on. I saw an U2 concert a while ago, and they put on the big screen behind them just before they played Bullet the Blue Sky:You get stuck with the dirty work because you LOOKED FOR IT. You THINK you are above the rest of the world. FACT.

3- Are you familiar with the theory of chaos? If Gore was elected president, maybe there WOULDN'T be a 11 September. Maybe I could now be the president of Burundi (here, I know that you guys don't even know where Iraq is on the map ;)), who knows?

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Indeed.......I thought maybe you just weren't think when you posted that first batch of crap, but now i see you really don't know what you are talking about. EVERYONE looks to the U.S., and it makes sense because we are the strongest country. Time and time again, countries come crying to us, "Oh help us, help us!", and we don't tell them to help themselves, we go over and we help. We went to Vietnam because INNOCENT PEOPLE WERE DYING!!!!!!!! I'm sure it wouldn't bother you if you knew an ethnic clensing was occuring, but we americans tend to be a little more humane about these things, and prefer to put a stop to them. I'm sure you feel pretty safe behind your computer desk knowing that the U.S. will drop everything its doing and come to your rescue in a moments notice. And do we like having this responsibility? No, we would love it if people would take care of themselves every now and then.

And you never did add anything about that video. So you really are saying its alright for people to have their liscense taken away and still drive around telling cops to shove it when they are told to stop?

And wow, i'm giving facts here and your just talking crap.....shows how grown up you are.....really, it does. Oh and it was September 11, not 11 September. It was the day that the deaths of thousands of innocents marked the end of Terrorism, so if you are going to say it, say it right at least.


Right....U2 said the U.S. is bad.....even though I'm sure they enjoy the lavish life here. You know, just because U2 is a god awful band doesn't mean that their point is more important than everyone elses. If U2 told you that having sex with your sister is cool, would you start having more sex with your sister?

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I was kind of expecting a fierce rebuttal there.

Edito: Er, never mind, only saw the pre-edit version.
Edito^2: I hope this doesn't turn too hostile.

Wasn't the reason for the US going to Vietnam a small political obligation to China or something like that? I know they didn't go because the the US citizens wanted to go to war.

I don't think theres much difference whether its the month or day being said first, people will still understand what the person is saying. And I don't agree with it being the day that marked the end of terrorism, as long as humans are around we'll keep doing stupid things like using terrorism to achieve goals.

But, I dunno. This obviously isn't an easy subject to have a discussion on without it turning into nothing but a pointless flamewar.

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So, when you get pulled over late at night with no one around and the cop says to you "Boy, bend over and spread open them ass cheeks for me." what are you gonna do?

Telling a cop to fuck off is NOT a crime. Those bald doughnut eating bastards could of killed that woman for nothing.

However sickening the video is, I'm happy its there for everyone to see. That's where we're all headed sooner or later if we don't fight back.

Recently in Canada, our fucked up corporate controled government is enacting new copyright protection laws that make almost everyone a criminal. The bribes and blackmail must of been too much to resist because virtually no one agrees with these new laws.

That's a democracy for you, it's all about bribes, blackmail and assholes with tasers(TM).

You guys don't know the half of it.

Did you know that the government considers each and evryone one of you to be a corporation?

No one reads the actual laws, and even if they do, you can't hardly understand what they are really about because they are written to imply one thing when they mean another.

Check this out, from Canada's INTERPRETATION ACT". The Interpretation Act is what you look at to figure out what a word means that is not defined in the other Act you are reading. Take for example, the word "person". I wonder what that means ....?

"person" «personne»
"person", or any word or expression descriptive of a person, includes a corporation;

Government's are the sole creator of corporations - they own them just like slaves and can legally do whatever they please to a corporation, including termination.

YOU ARE A CORPORATION

Spread 'em boy or I'll taser(TM) that hairy ass!

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But can you not say that American involvment in Iraq has not made a difference? The only terrorist attacks taking place now are against US soldiers, which surprises me that they are brave enough now to terrorize people who can actually fight back, not innocent people who did nothing to them.

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Uh... your cop example is alot different than the video. He told her several times to get out of the car before he zapped her. So now.....using your example..if a cop pulled me over and said, "Get out of the car or I am going to ass rape you", I don't know about you but i think i would get out of the car instead of arguing with him.

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Bush is still an idot...it isn't even possible to win the war on terror unless you turn iraq into a flaming peice of toast... but then presents the problem of the oil which i might add is problly the only reason we are there.... how can you win when more terrorist take the place of old ones.

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You are very right HangFire, this isn't an easy discussion to have. All i ask is that if people want to argue it, that they present facts, not just talk trash over their computer like a 3 year old when they know they wouldn't be so hardcore were we talking face to face.

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When people say things like that to me, my only comment is that you must be watching too much coporate controled TV. There's little else I can say until you turn off the brainwasher and put your brain in the dryer.

Well if it was me, and if I had a gun, I'd shoot the bastard in self-defense. If I did not have a gun, I'd floor the engine and if the opportunity was there to run over the freak I would do it. Yes, they'd end up frying me in the end, but at least I'd die still as an ass virgin.

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You would rather throw away your pride by hiding after terrorists attacked us like that? We can't let them get away with that. And yes, a reason we are over there is because of oil. They were sitting on those oil reserves and not using them. Instead, Saddam was building palaces and tanks, while the rest of the world suffered because of the lack of oil.

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So even though you just broke the law, and the cop was trying to uphold the law, you would try and kill him? That makes no sense to me.

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I think you are confusing pride with revenge.

terrorists exists because of war, hatred, and misery.

How are you going to fight them?

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I'm going to make a small suggestion here...everybody stop writing to this thread! It's becomming a flame war. The whole point of an opinion is that it's yours - don't try to force it upon other people, let them have theirs, and let's leave it at that.

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if we are talking about September 11 we are not fighting in the right place man... the pilots that crashed the planes... almost all of them were from Saudi Arabia. why are we in Iraq and not Saudi Arabia?

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Just because they were from Saudi Arabia doesn't mean they were working for Saudi Arabia.

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It depends on whos law you are speaking of. I'll respect common law, but not that civil law shit that's being forced down our throats.

Ignorance of the law is a major disadvantage each and everyone has, and that's how they like it, and that's how they control you.

When it comes to civil law, I'm not going to submit to something I never agreed to.

That woman being tortured in the video, was most likely being asked to sign the "traffic ticket". When she refused to sign even it after repeated threats of physical violence against her, that's when they decided to arrest her. When she refused to submit to what amounts to a kidnapping attempt, they tortured her into submission using electic shocks - which is a common method of torture because it generally leaves behind little evidence when done properly.

Everyone has the right to refuse to sign a contract.

When the woman goes to court (assuming she's still alive), she'll end up in a civil court without being aware of it. Through her ignorance and fear of her pwn personal safety, she'll say or do something that amounts to entering into a contract with the "court". At that point she'll be at the mercy of the government.

The court has only people in a conflict of interest deciding your fate, and you won't win. The judge works for the government, the prosecutor works for the government, and the lawyer you hired to defend you feeds from the same system. If there's a jury, most of the people stocked on it work for the government in one way or another.

It's closed loop, and we're locked inside it.

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I'll believe that one only after I see the airport security videos which show each of the 19 arab hijackers boarding the planes.

So far all I've seen is zippo, which means that if you really think arabs did 9/11, you are accepting the word of proven liars without any evidence to back up their claims.

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Well Botmeister, how should the cop have dealt with her? A while ago I read a short interview with the guy, and he explained why he used his tazer instead of a different method (grabbing and forcing her out, pepper spray, etc).

She was non-compliant, and in my opinion acting stupidly. Why the would she phone someone and ignore the police after shes been pulled over?

It is illegal to tell a cop to "fuck off", in reasonable curcumstances. If a cop wants to pull you over, he has the right to. If he wants you to step out of your car, he has the right to.

I see this as being pretty reasonable. Police obviously do not have the right to arse rape someone, and self-defence would be permitted.


She did ignore him, and he gave her repeated warnings. His arguments as to why he tazered her instead of using another method made sense to me, but tazing her twice was probably over doing it.

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Unless that video was a shorter version, i don't think she was tazed twice. And yes i completely agree, she was acting stupidly. Wether you like it or not, if a cop tells you to get out of your car because you broke the law, you do it.

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dude has any seen that video where that guys tells the cop to fuck off... omg it is so funny... just cause the cop pulls out his night stick and beats the piss out of the guy lol

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That was indeed an ugly video to watch. Thank god we got proper policemen here in DK.

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I've seen a lot of videos of cops beating the crap out of guys. It wouldn't surprise me in least if most of them deserved what they got.

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interesting post, botmeister.

You have some very good points about personal freedom, but i can't quite follow you though.

You see society as a controlling instant... I don't know wether i agree or disagree, since i basicly think the society is us. Wether we are oppressing ourselves is another question, but irrelevant to the topic.

But taken the actual society, what role would you prefer the policeman to take?
This lady has obviously broken the law (if you disagree, then let's assume she has). This law should, from a liberalistic point of view, be there because it protects the freedom of other indivuals. I mean, if everybody was driving insanely fast, more people would probably get handicapped or die. To make this illegal, we restrict a little in the freedom of everybody to prevent that a lot of freedom is lost in an accident.

So since this lady has broken the law she is stopped by the cops, who are there to make sure nobody does anything illegal. To make sure anybody doesn't do something illegal, the cops has the right to punish persons by restricting their personal or monetary freedom (which is pretty much two sides of the same thing nowadays). This lady refuses to accept the punishment for her crime.

Now what would you propose the cops should do?

I should probably note that i don't believe the current liberalistic democracy is any good... I'm just trying to understand your way of thinking.

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Now, just for the record, I didn't want to get back at this.

1- You say that you went to Iraq to help people who were suffering under Saddam. But the only reason I recall Bush said was that Iraq had wapons of mass destruction. And IF it was a truly humanitarian mission, I'm sure the UN wouldn't be against the war. IF it was a truly humanitarian mission, I'm sure France, Germany and the others that opposed the war would be the first ones to jump in your "coalition".

2- I am WRITING it right. You guys write it right, in your opinion. The international convention for dates is Day-Month-Year. If you want to scramble that around, it's up to you. But don't come over here and oblige me to write the way you want, because you are a superpower and have infinite nuclear warheads aimed at my forehead right now. That kind of intimidation just doesn't work with me.

3- I have never, in my arguments, insulted you in particular. Now, you reply here insulting me, telling I'm immature. I will not dignify that with an agressive reply. Generally, people who don't have any arguments to justify their acts or opinions tend to inslut others. IF you people ARE the most important country in the world (which you aren't), you should practice some of the ancient greek art of debating. Inside AND outside the UN.

4- Luckly, I'm not brainwashed, so I know how to distinguish right and wrong by myself. I'm catholic, but if Benedict XVI gets up tomorrow and say: "I hereby declare a Holy War against the US", then he better have some good reasons to do that, because I don't see a point in following anyone blindly. Many of mankind's biggest tragedies started like that (Hitler, for example).

And, just remember: YOU started all this, by putting here a link to a repugnant video. I suggest you remember next time you want to post something here that not everyone here comes from a culture that glorifies violence in the TV. Using your own argument: would you find it funny if it was you in that driver's seat?

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@Exilibur

There is a lot to discuss and debate of the issue of freedom. Note that I'm still learning about this stuff and my opinions change over time.

The key point is that I believe in the rights of the individual above all else.

This does not mean that the individual can do whatever he(she) pleases. The main thing is that we as free people should be able to do whatever we please so long as it is not at the undue expense of others. There's a lot of subjectivity in there, and common law has evolved over hundreds of years to determine what is acceptable over what is not.

The main issue I have, is that common law has been tossed aside in favor of civil law, where we've all been turned into miniature corporations without us even knowing it.

For example, it should not be against the law to take recreational drugs. To disallow someone the right to abuse his or her body (which is a matter of opinion depending on the drug and so on) is a clear violation of a fundamental freedom.

Now having said all that, governments trick us into accepting a huge loss of personal feedom through contract law. For example, if you have a "social insurance number" then you have agreed to pay taxes, accept government handouts, and as a result have agree to a lot of other things without even knowing it, such as wearing a seat belt when driving.

That is fine so long as we're being informed of the consequences in agreeing to the various contracts that are handed out to us.

More often then than not we have no idea we are agreeing to, or have been forced into agreeing through coercion and other methods (signing the traffic ticket for example).

Now in the cae of the woman who was stopped by the police, the questions I have under common law is:

Who is making a complaint against the woman?
Who is the injured party?
What harm has the woman done to anyone?

Under comman law, if there's no injured party and no compaint, then there is no crime.

The woman was stopped under a "preemtive law" for commiting a potential crime - a crime she may of commited but did not actually commit through her actions of driving faster than the posted speed limit.

You may recall the scifi movie Minority Report (2002) where arrest of murderes are made before they actually kill anyone, well that's what is happening already.

The thing is, when we start accepting preemtive laws, there's no end in sight to what limits will be placed on our ability to act and think for ourselves.

Another point, is that punishing people through fines means that the rich get punished far less than the poor, and taking money as punishment is open to plenty of abuse, such as speed traps on safe areas with lots of speeders, while speed traps in unsafe school zones with few speeders is ignored.

As I said we can discuss this for a long time, so I'd better stop here.

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Yep, you sure are right. If it was a humanitarian mission the UN would be quick to jump in just like that always do, being the almighty all knowing batch of pussies they are. Don't you get it, thats the problem. The UN doesn't understand that in the process of ridding the world of evil people die, ours and theirs. Thats why they sit back and let America take care of everything, taking credit when things go right, and blaming us when things go wrong.

And what do you mean you wouldn't do something if a "famous" person said to, thats completly what you said with the U2 example: "Oh ya, U2 said the US is bad.....so the US is bad......because U2 said so.......ya.....". That was a completely worthless thing to add to this discussion. You think any actor or singer has a higher say in these things, as if their point makes a difference? Their point makes as much of a difference as yours and mine.

And I'm sorry but I still find that movie hilarious. The woman broke the law by driving around even though she had her licsence taken away, and when she pushed that cop away and ignored his commands, she got what she deserved. I enjoy any movie were a scum like that gets zapped, i simply love it.

And how in the hell is Bush like Hitler. Bush is killing terrorists, Hitler killed innocent jews for simply practicing a different religion, theres a major difference. Are you trying to tell me that everyone in the Middle East is good? That we should just leave them alone and let them kill as many people of a different church as they want? Wake up buddy. Look at them, they are filthy animals. They kidnap innocent Americans that are trying to rebuild their shithole country, and cut their heads off. Which you know, I believe is ok, because everytime i see a picture of terrorists burning an american flag, i just run out and cut off some innocent muslim's head......oh wait, no I don't, because i'm a GOD DAMN HUMAN BEING!

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Theres a whole pile of topics going on in just one thread here.

I disagree with that. What about the guy who gets high on crack then kills someone, without even knowing what hes doing?

Some drugs can be allright, and are about as harmful as alcohol can be, but most are illegal for a damn good reason.

To Whitman:
You're obviously a supporter of the invasion of Iraq, so what good do you think can come of it? Making the area stable again is going to be nearly impossible, the US cannot hope to end the constant flow of insurgents into the territory. Some good may in theory come out of turning it into another democracy, and ending an unjust dictatorship, but I believe the cost is too great. The US is currently spending on a massive defeceit, and the maintaining the occupation of Iraq is only wasting billions of US dollars.

Thats my main problem with it, its a war that cannot be won by either side. Its only going to perpetually waste resources and lives.

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Whitman.. you're basicly saying anyone in the middle east is evil.. by saying that you are becoming what the terrorists are. They say everyone in the US is evil. So right now US would be considered the Terrorists to them.
You can't consider everyone from such I wide area all agree unanimously. It's like sterotypes, "All of [some group of people] are [adjective]." The "terrorists" uses sterotypes such as "All of the people from the US are evil" as a reason to kill us. By using the same reason they used to kill us to kill them makes us just as bad as the "terrorists." And as Hangie said.. The war is just wasting money which the US doesn't have.

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Now that I'm calm I can perhaps afford to give my point.

A tazer is not a toy.

A tazer(tm) is a coercition weapon that inflicts pain. Just like a bludgeon. Only difference is that, as botmeister pointed out, with a bludgeon, there are body marks. With a tazer, nothing.

Now imagine the cop was not holding a Tazer but a bludgeon.

"get out of that car or I hit you"

*22-year old girl panicks and refuses*

"get out of the car or I hit you"

*girl reaches her cell phone and starts typing a number*

*policeman draws the girl out and beats the crap outta her*

*girl screams*

"stop it or I beat you again"

"I can't it's too painful"

*policeman beats the crap outta her again*

The only difference with this story and the story in the video was that here the policeman was using a bludgeon whereas in the video he's using a Tazer.

When you're hit by a Tazer, about 1 minute after the shock the pain becomes tolerable again.
When someone punchs you in the face, about 1 minute after you stop feeling the intensive pain too.
The only difference is that it bleeds.

Now will someone here realize that a 50.000 Volt discharge IS NOTHING BUT A WEAPON ?

Wouldn't it have been sufficient to grab this 22-year old girl by the shoulder, pull her out of the car and *eventually*, if the cop is feeling aggressive throw her on the ground and lock her wrists ? In France when something like this happens it happens in 3 seconds. I know it, for a fact. No cop ever yells. You're simply forced out of the car, bent over the hood and the cop shackles your wrists in your back. 3 seconds. You DO NOT have the time to reach for a gun.

No. Harm. Done.

Now if you think the cop did not over react you've got a serious problem. These guys are no cops but stupid cowboys.

This is what I, myself, would have done if I had been that cop.

Now on the "america saves the world" stuff.

*breathe*

1. This has nothing to do in this thread

2. When someone says that any country, any person, any group of people in the world calls America for help, I'd enjoy this affirmation to be backed up with a FACT. For example, an open letter, a petition, a public demonstration, a radio broadcast, anything, that shows that America has, indeed, been asked for help.

3. When someone says that any country, any organization, any person in the world is a pussy, I'd also enjoy this affirmation to be backed up with a FACT. Not a messy rant without any historical pertinence (when it's not blatantly wrong, when it's not -frankly insulting- !).

4. When someone says that any country in the world is the strongest, militarily speaking, I'd enjoy:

a) people to consider this in regard of the strike potential/destruction capability ratio. For example, if ONE strike from a 'Typhoon' ex-USSR submarine is able to turn the whole US land upside down (check it for yourself for THIS is a fact), one nation's hundreds of nuclear warheads won't be of much use. Similarily, a group of ten "terrorists" could very well go to America with a payload of Mad Cow virus, and disseminates it at random all over the country... say, with Tazers, for example. Your economy would be on the knees in NO TIME, and your $billion-a-day army of cowboys wouldn't be of much use in that case either.

b) people to consider this in regard of the efficience of its military operations regarding the claimed goals. In Somalia, people are still starving to death, the dictatorship is even harder, and since the instauration of the free market, the peasant's production gains have been halved, leaving them not even enough for one meal a day. Meanwhile, a pipeline is being built. In Afghanistan, the warlords are terrorizing the countryland, the opium production has been multiplied by ten, the taliban rule a half of the country again, and the status of the women has been improved by this simple fact: with a smaller burka, they find the summer heat a little more supportable. Meanwhile, a pipeline is being built. In Iraq, check out for yourself. Now locate Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Afghanistan on a map, you americans. See what's in the middle ? Iran. And what's the fuss about Iran these days ? Does that start to ring a bell now ?

5) When anybody invocates the 11/09/2001 plane crashes (by terrorists that are yet to be undisputably identified) to justify a military operation against other countries, there I'd enjoy FACTS as well. Like, for example :

- why the first eyewitnesses, as well as the first news reports at the Pentagon strike reported NO EVIDENCE OF A PLANE but rather a whoosh of a powder-propelled engine
- how, according to the official version of the crashes, a transcontinental plane could have flown at 850 KPH at 1 meter height from the ground, crossing a highway without making any turbulence on the traffic
- how that airplane could simply "volatilize" in thin air
- and foremost, how this 30-meter wide plane could pierce 5 successive rows of buildings with a hole of 2 meters width.

I also recall how someone put the Reichstag afire, back in the thirties, to put the responsibility on the communists.

Where are Iraq's weapons of mass destruction ?

Where is Osama Bin Laden ?

Is there MORE, or LESS, violence and terrorism in the world since the beginning of this "war on terror" show ?

Has terrorism gone WORSE, or BETTER ?

Is america a safer place ? Is the REST OF THE WORLD a safer place, or has it become more dangerous ?

Are there MORE, or LESS, terrorists today ?

And now, read on.

http://www.newamericancentury.org

If you don't see anything dangerous here let me tell you that we'll probably be at war, a real war with weapons and bullets, where the goal is to find ways to put metal into live flesh, against each other in one decade or two. Mark my words.

I told it and I repeat myself : great things will happen in this century.