Coming soon: a PC combat game that shoots back!
 

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A combat simulator developed for the US military that "shoots" back, delivering an electric shock strong enough to knock down players, could be the next big thing for home-computer games.

If a player fails to kill an enemy in time and the enemy is able to shoot back, the simulator delivers a powerful electric shock through the player's hips. You definitely know you have been hit," Mr Haag said. "It has the same power as a stun gun. It knocks you down.

I imagine there'd be plenty of cheaters not hooking up their electrodes while doing internet play, he he he.

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Hasn't there been... "accidents"... with those electrodes in the past ?

Tazer guns...

wow

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Heyyo,

Well PMB, the electric shock would be painful yes, but not fatal as long as they don't place it across their heart, and they're not wearing metal wristbands that are attached to some big sheet of metal or something.. so what the military has planned would be painful, but not fatal.

I think that this is a little too extreeme.. as it might cause muscle damage from constant electrocutions. If they toned it down more than what they have planed it could actually be more healthy as it could just stimulate the muscles to move a bit, giving them some exercise, but enough to knock you out can't be healthy, especially over an eslapsed time... how long does the average gamer game a year? a lot... lots of strong shocks? man, I think I'd rather stay in the fake gaming than in the pain gaming...

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Whatever.
I'd stick these electrodes on the cat, first.

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Then do a rocket jump. See how far you can make that kitty fly.

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I think the question is, won't it burn you?

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Heyyo,

Heh, we're talking aboot taser voltages, not lightning bolts. :P

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Precisely, MarD. Do you know the voltage of a taser ?

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Heyyo,

I know they're up around I think 15-25kV's but I dunno how much it takes to burn, I figured like, a lot more..

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Typically amperage does all the damage to a person, depending if their skin is dirty or not, etc etc (a persons electrical resistance changes dramatically if they have dirty hands, if they sweat, etc). Of course, current is dependent upon the voltage applied across the skin, and the amount of resistance. Puncturing the skin (do tasers actually do this? I've not seen them in action or anything) lessens the resistance heaps, so for the same voltage you'll get an increase current.
About 0.1A can cause death, 0.01A pain, burn, etc, 0.001A a tingling sensation, person depending of course.

And yes, I'm now waiting for the geek alert jokes to begin....I studied this as part of external metal contacts on a hand sign recognition glove.

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I believe you without a doubt, I studied electronics so I have two or three elements for answering this as well. I'm just a bit surprised about the numbers you give, like, 0.1A can cause death, I would have said 1A, and 10mA cause pain/burn, I find that very surprising.

About the Taser guns, they're in fact 2 little bolts that are fired simultaneously a bit like with a crossbow (but with less strength of course). It DOES perforate the skin, since it is also supposed to pierce your clothes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/146500...8_stungun2.gif

And YES, there HAVE been accidents with this gun, and people died. I call that an utter stupidity.

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That gun is in Swat 4, which just came out. Loads of fun to just shoot "suspects" with it after they've surrendered and been cuffed. :)

My minimal "Excessive use of deadly force" for each mission is usually 2-4.

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1A was quoted by some texts, that's true. 0.1A was quoted by others. I'm a little tired, but 1A does sound a little better to me though of course depending how close to various nerves, etc, you get hit. I guess it depends on the person too, and how accurate their test cases were: "are you dead yet? nope, let's try this!" Never did find the source of their numbers, but it probably involved various probes being stuck into people, and basically guessing from there.

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Heyyo,

Well, I took electronics common core, and 9kV's does hurt, and I think it was just 1mA - 5mA's at the most. I had no burning... but the teacher should've explained why not to use 2 hands. I figured since one hand barely did anything.. 2 would be ok. Hey, it was like, the first couple of weeks of the course, I diddn't think I'd actually zap the crap outta me heart. :P

So yeah, I'm guessing 50mA can cause burn, and 1A is definately death. Painful, painful death. If you guys want the schematic for me taser? just wait, I wanna patten it first, lolz. 9_9

Yes, there has been lots of people who have died from tasers cause they took it across the heart, and threw off their heart's little zaps that keep it going, and so they couldn't breathe, and then they died. That's why at the hospital they have those units they put across your heart, they send an eletric zap to try and reset those little zaps that make your heart beat. Anywho, they were meant to be only shot in like, the stomach, cops who aim at the chest are the ones who will probably kill the poor dude on the receiving end of the taser. Oh, there's also stun sticks that have tipped prongs, so those also can penetrate the skin.

I think for this gaming idea they should tone theirs down to like, novetly zappers, or something less harmful like somekindof rumble thing you strap to yourself.. I think the repeated zapping's over a prolonged period of time could cause artheritis or random muscle spasms or something like that..

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I've heard about this one guy who killed himself with a 9 volt. Apparently, he stuck two multimeter electrodes into his thumbs. It went through his heart, and because blood has less resistance than skin, more current went through his heart.

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How much power does a house plug-in have? I know someone who stuck a key in one and lived, that something that I'd figure would kill you.

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Heyyo,

Yes, outlett's are fatal if across the heart. That's the thing, he probably only gotta finger or arm shock. If he stuck key's in each hole then yes he'd probably die. :P

Now, with this 9 volt? maybe. It thought their ampere's were only 1mA? ??? anywho, ya never know I guess.. I heard of a guy dying from a 12V car battery, then again his hands were bloody, so yeah, probably the case with blood having next to nothing resistance so all the force goes straight through the heart..

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Blood has iron in it, and iron is a good conductor of electricity, so is water.

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excpet iron in blood is part of molecule, and not in metallic bonding, hence not really a great conductor. Water itself will not conduct, however free-floating ions "hanging about, chilling, having a beer" (for example, sodium and chloride ions in salt water) will conduct, as they're able to flow freely throughout the liquid in which they are suspended. That's why blood conducts much better than skin, and why skin is more conductive when sweaty (it's not the skin which conducts better, it's the sweat).

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volts do not kill, amperes do. It does not matter how big voltage is, important is how big is current that is going through your body. Current over 10mA (25mA DC) is considered not safe. Sparks from wool clothing or piezoelectric lighters have tens of thousands volts and still are harmless, because current is practically zero. This is also a reason why someone can sometimes survive lightning struck.

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@all: to cut this straight, it's a combination of both.

Huge amperages won't kill if there's little or no voltage.
Small amperages CAN kill if there's high voltage.

The amperage/voltage relation can be viewed this way:

Electricity is like water falling off a tap.
VOLTAGE is how high this tap is from the ground.
AMPERAGE is how much water gets out at once from the tap.

Now, the electrical conductivity is only determined by the orientation of the atoms (since electrical current is just a flow of electrons leaping from an atom to another). If the atoms are regularly aligned, like in iron and in most metals, the current will flow very fast. If that's not the case, this material will have much more resistance to current.

Water is another topic. The electrons in water and in liquids do not leap from one atom to another (since there's a HUGE gap between molecules in liquids), but instead they take one atom in hostage and form a ion. It's this ion (over-charged in e-, i.e. "overdepleted" atom) that serves the electron as an "embarcation" to cross the water.

Electrons, and through them, the movement of matter itself can be influenced a lot by Laplace forces, but that's also another (long) story.

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Either way, i concider this kinda retarded.. There is 'realism in games' and 'taking the piss' seriously, this is taking the piss.

Science out the way, if this has a potential chance of being harmful, in ANY way, shape or form, it shouldn't be sold.

Prolonged exposure to even the mildest of shock can be potentially dangerous.. allmost like stabbing yourself with a pin (You don't really notice one or 2 pricks, but when you have been stabbing yourself for hours, and there are thousands of holes on you.. well.. yea..)

Games nowadays give a good impression that you are being shot, and tbh, i'm gonna be sticking with that ;)