Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

Heyyo,

I decided to check out firefox since you seem to heavily support it... n' I like the sound of it... so I read that column at forbes.com cause they're freakin bigshots.. n' that guy seems to really like it, n' the features sound pretty cool too.

Lol, thanks for changing my mind there sPlOrYgOn... all I wanted to do was be lazy in my insecure IE. :P

n' now? I'm gonna go home, n' give it a shot. Because you tantillized me with your firefox symbols in your avatar n' signature. :)

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

wots wrong with being lazy ? :)

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

who said.. "dont try to fix something that works"?

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

Heyyo,

nothin' at all PMB, actually, lazyness saved my life. True story. I'll do a short recap:

- Was still a baby, sister pushed me off a balcony
- If neighour wasn't lazy n' would've moved mattress to the dump or something for 2 weeks, I would'ved fell onto concrete pathway n' died.

Yep, nice n' short. n' why I like lazyness soo much, my life depended onnit. lol. :D

Well, it's a bad habit of mine TruB. I'll be done coding on my GTA mods, n' think, "hey! I can make it shorter by doing this!" n' then change like, half my code, n' then forget to backup, n' have to rewrite half my code... lol, for the Gotham City mod I'm working on, i must've redone the intro mission 7 times over, I lost count. :D

Downloading FireFox...

[UPDATE]
Ok, I'm trying it out, it's pretty nice. But I miss that tick sound whenever it changes webpages. Is there a plugin for that yet? :P

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

I think I still prefer Opera a bit... for my taste, Firefox sticks a bit too much to IE schemes in some respects.
For example, it also has its settings under "extras / settings" like IE... I like the "quick preferences" feature in Opera, where you press <F12> and get a context menu to easily and instantaneously toggle Java, JavaScript, Cookies, Proxy connection, PopUps etc.
Another advantage of Opera is that it saves GFX a lot faster. If I open a link to a photo with Firefox, it loads the pic. Normal. Then I right-click "save as...", and then it apparently d/ls the photo again or transfers it from its file cache to the place you specified, and that takes 1-5 seconds AGAIN (depending on the size of the image, of course)! Moreover, during that loading/copying time, I can't close the tab. . Opera is faster in that respect.
But maybe they changed that with FF 1.0. I'm still using 0.9.2. Anyway, I still like FF, and I use both FF and Opera now.

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

:D My brainwashing tactics are working!!! :D
[edit]
I forgot something...
"MUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!":D
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Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

Heyyo,

lol, it's pretty nice, it does feel different. But can you resize the engine searchbar? I've tried, n' all I can do is move it..

Also, like I mentioned above, I need my tick sounds for changing webpages, do you know where I can find a plugin that does that? I know it sounds stupid... but I like it. :D

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

just listen to your mouse click :D
well maybe there is an extention that can do that...
I never really searched the extensions since firefox already has all the features I want :D

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

Heyyo,

B-But... tick! lol...

also, even thought I set firefox as my default internet browser, when I open links in msn messenger it pops up in IE... any ideas?

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

yea M$ products don't listen to default browser crap and just open IE...

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

I use Avant, it uses the IE rendering engine but has a lot of neat features such as tabbed browsing.

I've never had a spyware or page hijacking problem in the two years I've had this computer. They're not too hard to avoid.

Firefox and Opera are installed though, so I can test the HTML I write in all three engines.

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

you crazy pshyco!!
and PMB thought 2 browsers was over doing it..
you have 4!!!:D
[edit]
@MarD: maybe you can write the firefox extension yourself..
all you need to know is XUL (XML User Interface Language) and Javascript..
http://extensions.roachfiend.com/howto.php
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Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

I'm also using firefox because:
1) it's free ("open source") software
2) it doesn't get attacked by viruses
3) it supports tabbed browsing and faster than IE on my old Celeron 466
(may be more...) :)
btw, I don't like opera because not only it's non-free but also it's adware and may contain spyware.

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

Well, one of these arguments is correct, but not both at the same time.

If it's a non-free version, then you bought it - so it's free of ads and possible spyware.
If it comes with ads (and possible spyware), it's free.

The Opera guys emphasize in their privacy statement that they don't spy you out etc., but I understand your skepticism - and share it, in fact. ;)

Let's say FireFox is the best free browser I know, whereas Opera is my favourite browser.

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

Heyyo,

Hmm, make it myself eh? well... good thing I know flash, n' not java n' xul then. lol. But you know what? I need my tick sound, so bad, I will try to program it myself. ;)

Thanks for the heads up on Opera guys. I hate spyware, so I'mma stay away from it TY very much. If I wanted a good free, not come packaged with spyware web browser, I think I'd stay with firefox or IE. Opera sounds like it's aboot the same thing, tabbed browsing n' what-not anywho...

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

/me agrees with wrecks... opera is better! :P

but firefox isn't bad... granted... and ms is just evil... first of all you can't uninstall ie, second, ie doesn't show webpages as they are supposed to be shown, and third, anything microsoftrelated is still opened with ie even though opera is default...

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

actually u can unistall ie. i have :)

but i'm gonna have to reinstall it due to ur third reason

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

free software means open source...
he didn't mean freeware...

If you have any problems with FireFox you can just learn to code and fix it yourself :D

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

well the biggest problem of the term "free software" may be its ambiguity, and M$ did said IE is "free software"

but the "open source" also has some problems:
1) the average users don't know what "source" is
2) MOST of the people just mean "source is available" when they are saying "open source"... but that's WRONG; such things like game modding SDKs are NOT "open source" as using parts of their codes in our software is illegal. Also some hackers like to write such license terms like "This software can be only used for non-commercial purposes" for their "open source" software but that is one of the restrictions which made the software non-free or not "open source"
3) plus all the comments which Free Software Foundation has made at:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-s...r-freedom.html

the Mozilla source code is too huge for me to learn :) but if some hacker (not cracker!) discovered a security hole in it he is likely to report it or publish a fixed version. and for non-free ("closed source" - gotta make this comment to avoid ambiguity) MSIE or Opera only the author is able to do so... so if they don't fix it you'll have to bear with those bugs... in other word, you are *completely* at the mercy of the authors... :)

Re: Dangit sPlOrYgOn...
 

That's true and a very interesting comment, Whistler... besides, you explained things very clearly and understandable. I learn something new every day... =)

Yeah, you're right - I mixed up freeware with open source software. I don't know as much as you about all that stuff. Your comment about being completely at the mercy of a program's authors if the source code is not freely accessible also sounds reasonable. I just have the imnpression that in the case of Opera, the authors actually didn't do such a bad job, as Opera is especially popular among people who appreciate "safe surfing". However, another aspect to be taken into consideration is that any kind of malicious code is just more likely to be aimed at a browser that's used by 90% of all people (IE) than at a browser that's used by < 3% (Opera)...9_9