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Penguin 23-05-2004 21:43

Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Ok, so I keep getting this whenever I run my map:

0 brushes (totalling 0 sides) discarded from clipping hulls
CreateBrush:
Error: Entity 0, Brush 3, Side 4: has a coplanar plane at (-912, 1728, 496), texture -3OUT_RK5
Error: brush with coplanar faces
Description: The map has a problem which must be fixed
Howto Fix: Check the file ZHLTProblems.html for a detailed explanation of this problem
Error: Entity 0, Brush 6, Side 2: has a coplanar plane at (-1104, 1664, -336), texture -3OUT_RK5
Error: Entity 0, Brush 6, Side 4: plane with no normal
Error: Entity 0, Brush 6: outside world(+/-4096): (-1104,-10000,-336)-(-848,10000,496)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 8, Side 3: has a coplanar plane at (-432, 1664, 320), texture -3OUT_RK5
Error: Entity 0, Brush 8, Side 4: plane with no normal
Error: Entity 0, Brush 8: outside world(+/-4096): (-720,-10000,320)-(-432,10000,408)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 8: outside world(+/-4096): (-736,-10016,284)-(-416,10016,444)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 8: outside world(+/-4096): (-752,-10032,288)-(-400,10032,440)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 8: outside world(+/-4096): (-736,-10016,302)-(-416,10016,426)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 6: outside world(+/-4096): (-1120,-10016,-372)-(-832,10016,532)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 6: outside world(+/-4096): (-1136,-10032,-368)-(-816,10032,528)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 6: outside world(+/-4096): (-1120,-10016,-354)-(-832,10016,514)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 16, Side 2: has a coplanar plane at (-1888, 1120, -336), texture -3OUT_RK5
Error: Entity 0, Brush 16, Side 4: has a coplanar plane at (-1888, 1162, -336), texture -3OUT_RK5
Error: Entity 0, Brush 16, Side 4: has a coplanar plane at (-1888, 1162, -336), texture -3OUT_RK5
Error: Entity 0, Brush 18, Side 2: has a coplanar plane at (-504, 1664, -336), texture -3OUT_RK5
Error: Entity 0, Brush 16: outside world(+/-4096): (-1888,1056,-336)-(-1856,1162,10000)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 16: outside world(+/-4096): (-1904,1040,-372)-(-1840,1178,10036)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 16: outside world(+/-4096): (-1920,1024,-368)-(-1824,1194,10032)
Error: Entity 0, Brush 16: outside world(+/-4096): (-1904,1040,-354)-(-1840,1178,10018)
(2.00 seconds)

Penguin 23-05-2004 21:44

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
What the hell? Sorry for the smileys, but can anyone tell me what is up with this? Also, I am not getting my .bsp file when I run this. Im getting mad!

the Carpenter 23-05-2004 22:54

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Stupid worldcraft ???
Stupid you ! LOLZ !
You have bad vertex manipulations.
Find those brushes with the GO TO BRUSH function & delete them.

sPlOrYgOn 23-05-2004 22:55

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
besides it wouldn't be worldcraft giving those errors..
it would be the compile tools..

Penguin 24-05-2004 00:38

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Errg! Bad vertex manipulations? 8( Is there anyway I can save them!? I spent like 1 hour making them. Ill send you the map, if needed. Also, what about the thingy-mober (compiler) not giving me .bsp? Does it hate me?

sPlOrYgOn 24-05-2004 00:58

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
yes it hates you a lot

*highlight*
no because it has not feelings unless you want to code some AI into it...
it didn't give you a bsp cause you have errors...

Penguin 24-05-2004 01:09

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Shut the hell up fag

Pierre-Marie Baty 24-05-2004 01:25

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
The compiler outputs a BSP file only when no error is found, that sounds logical :)

One method that might work to get rid of most of your vertex manipulation problems is to select the whole map, then cut and paste it into a new Worldcraft session.

*EDIT*

I'm gonna be less kind with you from now on, dude.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin
Shut the hell up fag

By saying this, you just got your FIRST AND LAST WARNING. Next time = ban.
For your information I advise you to read rule #4 of our member rules again. A rule that YOU agreed with when you registered to this forum.
http://www.bots-united.com/member-rules.html

Penguin 24-05-2004 21:51

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Ooooh sorry. Didnt mean that. Lol-yes sir! Anyway-forgive me. Sarcasism just make me mad sometimes.

Penguin 24-05-2004 21:57

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Ok! Now for the real questions: What defines a "bad vertex manipulation?" How can they be fixed? Does the error log give specific coordnates (spelled wrong, so what, Im a little kid and I hate english :D)of where the bad manipulations are? Please, I'll do anything to fix my map... Lol...

the Carpenter 24-05-2004 23:53

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
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http://www.vlatitude.com/tutorials.php
http://countermap.counter-strike.net/Tutorials/
http://ginsengavenger.home.comcast.net/works.htm
http://www.karljones.com/halflife/almanac.asp
http://www.slackiller.com
http://cariad.co.za/twhl/forums.php
http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php
http://xp-cagey.com/?index=updates
http://www.slackiller.com/tommy14/errors.htm

SoUlFaThEr 25-05-2004 00:45

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
advice on vertex manipulation:

do manip on one block tilly er done.....the do a "check for problems". if you dont get a "invalid structure" message........then yer good to go. do the nest block manips.

also....if you make complicated things.....with slants in 2 directions and other stuff.......and have each vertex on the grid........and then ROTATE this thing to anything but 0,90,180,270.then you may end up with errors too even tho it was done right....in this case....dont rotate the object.

repeat the process.

coplaner plane is having 2 vertex on the same line........just simply pull one of those vertex's onto the other on in its corner.......and say YES to the popup asking you to merge vertexs.........

sPlOrYgOn 25-05-2004 02:22

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
looks like everyone missed what I said :D
go back to my last post in this thread and highlight the whole thing :D

Penguin 25-05-2004 02:24

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Thanks soulfather, Ill try that :D

Penguin 25-05-2004 02:27

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Uh, say, Soul, how (where) do you check these manipulations?

Pierre-Marie Baty 25-05-2004 03:31

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sPlOrYgOn
looks like everyone missed what I said :D
go back to my last post in this thread and highlight the whole thing :D

...and to what extent is saying "yes it hates you a lot" a productive post ? I don't understand.
*edit* Got it. Dude, what's the point ? White text on white background, you wanted nobody to see it or what ? ???:(

sPlOrYgOn 25-05-2004 04:38

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
I was just playing around with him :D
first I put *highlight* in white so that some people would some what see it then try to high light it to see the rest :D

[edit]
it's not white on white tho
it's white on F1F1F1
then
F1F1F1 on F1F1F1
:D
and you posted the same info that I posted :D
[/edit]

SoUlFaThEr 25-05-2004 08:39

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
back on topic:

you find the check for problems feature under MAP/check for problems(up by file, edit, view, etc...)

or you use the hotkey ALT+P

btw...it is not only for manipulations. i cant believe you made 4 maps and dont know about this yet :) glad you do now tho...

you should do a check for problems EVERYTIME once before you feel like exporting to .map. many problems may appear here other than invalid solid structures. most of them can be "fixed" from here with the fix button.

most common are the texture "axis perpendicular to face", just highlight it and "fix"(happens after clipping carving hollowing vertex manipulation) you also get another texture mistake by doing any of the above that is also common, invalid texture <texturename>. this is the error that appears when one of your faces turns white after carving, clipping, hollowing and vertex. this can be "fixed" too. best way to fix this is finding the texture in the texture application tool from your wad........selecting it, then checking for problems and fixing it with this texture. if you had another texture in the texture application tool....you would give the "fixed" face that txture...not always the desired result :)

some entitiy problems will show up here too(unused key values) and (no players start). the latter isnt really a problem so just add a CT spawn. i think very few will understand unused key values....ive never seen where they may be in my entities but itll happen none the less. and also will notice bad target fields in entities. so thats a good one.

peace

sfx1999 25-05-2004 20:40

Re: Ahhhh! Stupid WORLDCRAFT!!!
 
Here is the solution (click me)

Quote:

brush with coplanar faces
Quote:


Example:
Entity 10, Brush 0, Side 5: has a coplanar plane at (-753, -9, 251), texture CA1X_CON1B
Entity 10, Brush 0, Side 6: has a coplanar plane at (-753, -32, 251), texture CA1X_CON1B
This is always caused by vertex manipulation.
Say you have a five sided object like the following diagram:
http://www.slackiller.com/tommy14/coplanar-1.gif

Moving the top point down to make the object into a square, will cause this error, as now 2 faces are on the same plane, which is not allowed:
http://www.slackiller.com/tommy14/coplanar-2.gif

To fix this problem, either move the vertex causing the coplanar warning to make the brush convex again, or move the rogue vertex onto one of its neighbors to destroy it.



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