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gjivan72 26-01-2007 04:09

Re: bots are too easy
 
Thanks alot KWo it helped a bit. Still not what I would like it but alot better. They take less time before head shottin me now. Check out my server ToK | Clan Server CS1.6

Code:

http://www.gametiger.net/search?address=68.96.193.128:27015
I put pb_maxbots 4 .. soo you might have to wait till its empty. Anyone else have it running and thinks there bots are pretty good I would like to check it out if you don't mind.

person135 26-01-2007 23:56

Re: bots are too easy
 
my friend has a server that is pretty good. I think the bots there are top notch (sorry KWo, I still haven't tested the versions after v3b16d). The current version is v3b16d on the server. However, my friend doesn't always go on, and he doesn't always open his server so...

KWo 27-01-2007 08:03

Re: bots are too easy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by person135
(sorry KWo, I still haven't tested the versions after v3b16d).

I really need You to make these tests with V3B17 and V3B17a. I need the feedback for my work, otherwise my work is pointless...

gjivan72 29-01-2007 16:50

Re: bots are too easy
 
POD-Bot mm RUN - podbot_mm_i386.s v3.0B17

Their reaction time has increased dramatically. Once in a while they take a 10-20 seconds to react but its stil good. Im gonna test it out some more. However, for the first time players are complaining to turn down the skill. :) Thanks alot tis alot better.

Fixer 02-01-2009 21:37

Re: bots are too easy
 
Hi Kwo! I've played so much with yapb 2.51(2.52 too week) and I loved that bot very much! except weapon cycling bug I hate :(

I've just installed your bot and i have different feelings about it. Much of strafing and strange slow reaction on 90 skill for middle distances or maybe its more like human like. I'm playing with bots for the many years coz I have slow internet connection :(( and I try many bots... pb 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, cs bot, realbot, yapb 2.51beta(the best), and I have feeling that your bot is good especially in short distances! I think you need to add more hardcore from YAPB bot. I've been shocked when I saw they(yapb) artiffical granade throwing o_O and very HARDCORE rhythm of WAR =) since I first played CS with PB! o_O Good Luck and more headshots!

Fixer 02-01-2009 21:47

Re: bots are too easy
 
WTH they are turning off/on flashlight o_O

version 20b

Sc0Rp 02-01-2009 22:09

Re: bots are too easy
 
That feature is added after someone requested it.

Podbots are tweaked in this way so they cannot see an enemy ( or ally ) if he's in a dark area ( doesn't necessary has to be pitch black I guess ), but only if there is no sound or any other factor that will blab his position.
So the bots are programmed to use a flashlight in dark area's to increase the chance of others getting spotted.

Unfortunately their is no pb command in podbot.cfg to switch it on/off.
Not yet :sleep:
But you can use "mp_flashlight 0" if the flashing bots make you crazy.
Of course then you can't use it yourself anymore + you have to type it again after every map change.

Fixer 03-01-2009 00:03

Re: bots are too easy
 
Hmm.. I feel great difference between PB MM and YAPB.

YAPB - professional killers team. "targed confirmed. one shoot or burst - one dead santa! We will kill them all!". or "We have hostages and 1 terrorist here! "

PB MM - rembo team. "OK. LETS ROLL! WE NEED FIRE! MORE FIRE!" then like in american films. Much of strafe and fire, granades %)

:)

Fixer 03-01-2009 00:04

Re: bots are too easy
 
>But you can use "mp_flashlight 0" if the flashing bots make you crazy.

Yes, it is :) On cs_assault inside building they often turning flashlight on/off every second :)

Also, more I play with PB mm more i like it! Very good bot! I've enjoyed a big rush inside cs_assault building :)

Ok. I've just stopped a 30 round game: podbot mm 3V20b(T) vs YAPB 2.51beta(CT) (not 2.52! that version has weeker bots! someone fix it please!) in cs_assault.

And I got a very interesting stats:

PB MM:
kills: 59 deaths: 216 (kill per death: 0.273)

YAPB:
kills: 213 deaths: 64 (kill per death: 3.327)

Overall ratio:

1 yapb = 3.6 pb mm killed

YAPB has weapon cycling bug up to 10 times and also has bigger fatality life rate (5 vs 3 suicids)!

This statistic may be unrepresentative.

Screenshot: http://smages.com/i/a0/32/a03264e505...1aba768040.jpg

Also, tommorrow I'll tray to switch teams: ct - pb mm / t - yapb

Also, I see that developing of yapb is stopped on 2.52 that has slow aim problem but fixed weapon cycling bug. Can someone get a 2.51 and apply the patch from 2.52 that fixes cycling bug without changing aiming or other important systems! :(((

KWo 03-01-2009 09:57

Re: bots are too easy
 
YapB wins always because it uses unrealistic very high senstitive "hearing" system. They always know were You are exactly. Even if they cannot see You (ebahind the obstacle), they are aiming at exact Your position. That's called as a cheating. pb mm doesn't cheat, so it's weaker...

Fixer 03-01-2009 13:32

Re: bots are too easy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWo (Post 59491)
YapB wins always because it uses unrealistic very high senstitive "hearing" system. They always know were You are exactly. Even if they cannot see You (ebahind the obstacle), they are aiming at exact Your position. That's called as a cheating. pb mm doesn't cheat, so it's weaker...

Ok. I have many situations when pb mm bot:

+ sees the target in middle range but not firing... Why??? o_O
+ granade throwing is inaccurate (false distance calculation - granade BANGS near you but doesnt cause damage)
+ often bots don't rotate to needed direction (easy target)
+ ???

Also, can you read a yapb 2.51 and 2.52 sources to find out why bots in 2.52 are weeker? Developing of YAPB is stopped. Where is jeefo and whistler?

Also I turned on inhuman turns for pb mm and make a 30 round fight. Stat:

yapb(T) - k 183 d 139 - 1.32 kpd
pb mm(CT) - k 136 d 184 - 0.74 kpd
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overall ratio 1yapb=1.34pb mm :) Not bad!

Hmm, if you have a fast CPU u can try metamod>YAPB+PB MM=GREAT ASSISTANTS(ASSASINS)! But with 16bots sometime I get 40fps.

Fixer 06-01-2009 00:44

Re: bots are too easy
 
I have some questions:

Imagine de_inferno and his long corridor. CTs see T walking out from their spawn but why they don't fire in each other??? Also T stuck sometimes.

I have many situations where the bots go to main input to cs_assault building but not looking into right (T) direction.

Why they use flashlights in cs_assalut house for example where is bright and flashing into his legs direction???

Something they use granade not in right time. when 1vs1 or other..

Whistler 06-01-2009 05:23

Re: bots are too easy
 
I still exist :) but I no longer play CS as much as before. anyways maybe I can help you a little with your questions :)

> Something they use granade not in right time. when 1vs1 or other..
currently POD-Bot only check for distance of the enemy and whether the grenade can hit the enemy or not, which is not very smart and tactical.


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