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Ok, i never said that all middle eastern peoples are evil. Just the ones that cut heads off of people as a past time activity.

PMB, what do any of those sites you sent me have to do with the fact that terrorists like to perform cruel acts against innocent people (cutting heads off with a god damn carving knife.......am i the only one who finds that a tad....well.....WRONG?

And no, the only difference between your story and that video is that the cop clearly asked her to get out of the car several times before using his tazer. And he did try pulling her out, she pushed him away! Did you even watch the video?

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If Gore was elected president? Seriously, what do you know about American politics? And you bring up 911 like it somehow relates to this video? Do Brazillians have religious groups screaming "Death to all Brazillians" and flying planes into your buildings? That might have been to two dumbest comments I've ever heard.

Excessive force? No
Funny? Yes...I would think it was funny if it was my own mother, screw that lady for not listening to and respecting a police officer. Wanna bet she listens to the next cop that catches her breaking the law??

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Yes, terrorists perform cruel acts. Whether they "like" doing them or not, or that they "feel obligated" by their religion, beliefs or indoctrination, to perform them, is up to your appreciation. Now I'd also like you to explain me how the United States of America's recent military operations have been significantly targeting these "terrorists" you're talking about ?

Please explain.

And don't tell me a 35-year old male cop can't handle a 22-year old maiden. This is ridiculous.

*edit*
It's also in my story. Read it again. Also, please read other's posts to the bottom and not elude their questions, just like I try not to elude yours. Or do I ?

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I dont care if it's Mr. Universe. That guy gets into a tussle with the woman and she has an oppurtinity to grab his gun. And yeah tasers can kill people, but cops are trained to use them so the likelyhood of that happening is small.

And I seriously can NOT believe that posting this video triggered a debate on politics, terrorism, and our military.

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This is what my first point on this subject has been
Nevertheless, while we're at it, I'd enjoy some answers to my questions. BTW, feel free to ask some too.

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*EDIT NOW* WHEN I SEE SHIT LIKE THESE http://forums.gamertag.com/showthread.php?t=16393 I'M ON A MOOD TO STEAL HEAVY WATER, PLUTONIUM AND A SOME BERYLLIUM SPHERES AND NUKE THE SHIT OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF THE FUCKING AMERICANS. THAT WOMAN WAS NOT BEING A BITCH SHE WAS AFRAID AND PANICKED, PA-NI-CKED AND THAT COP IS A DICKHEAD FOR THREATENING A FUCKING WOMAN FOR A FUCKING SPEED LIMIT, HE TAZED HER TWICE, FUCKING TWICE, ONCE FOR BEING PANICKED AND ONCE FOR SCREAMING IN PAIN AND IF THAT'S THE LAND OF THE BRAVE AND IF THE BRAVE THEMSELVES FIND THAT FUNNY I'M FUCKING PROUD OF BEING A FRENCHMAN !!! I'M MAD !!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Wow....come get me then frenchmen.....bring your.....army, as you call it.....I'll just throw a banana peel so you trip and get a skinned knee, more than enough to send you running back to your prideless country. I have in no way insulted anyones country like this guy has just insulted me. I wanted to keep it civilized, but apparently that won't be possible. And surprislingly, this insult comes from a moderator of this site......interesting to say the least.

But we have more important things to worry about......THE FRENCHMAN IS MAD!!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES EVERYONE THE FRENCHMEN IS MAD!!!!! HE'S COMING!!!!!! OH MY GOD THE FRENCHMAN IS COMING!!!!! EVERYONE RUN AND HIDE!!!! BAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA! I mean seriously now.... how can you go on living knowing that you are a frenchman? But enough for now, just countering an insult with an insult. See PMB? I can talk trash over the internet too, but i don't think it makes me feel as tough as it does for you.

I was about to call it quits on this thread but then i saw this cute little addition, so i think i'll stay on the subject a bit longer. Keep the insults to yourself, and i will do the same.

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Please tell me how this is not calling everyone in the Middle East evil?
stop the insults.. they're not a proper response to questions you can't answer.

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1. That insult was not for you but for the 12-year old uneducated morons who posted in the thread I put the link to. Now if you want to join them, feel free.

2. You're becoming personal. Be aware of it.

3. If that's me you're after, know that I could, and would gladly, pay you a trip to france to meet me face to face, and this I'm not sure you would dare. I'm very serious, american.

4. Stop eluding my questions and debate like an educated person, will you ?

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[QUOTE=sPlOrYgOn]Please tell me how this is not calling everyone in the Middle East evil?
stop the insults.. they're not a proper response to questions you can't answer.[/QUOTE

Everyone seemed to think everyone in the Middle East was innocent, which they surely are not. I haven't seen 1 post so far that agrees that cutting of heads is wrong. That post was only implying that a select few are bad, not all of them. And it does not in any way say they are all bad.

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Oh, ya i'm sure you weren't talking about me when you posted that, Frenchman. I called you on that insult and you got scared....typical. Are you challenging me to come to your country? Ok, send the money to my paypal account, i always wanted to go to germany myself, but france will suffice. I'll come teach you a few things about being a man, Frenchman. I'm becoming personal you say? You clearly stating that you wanted to nuke all americans sounded pretty personal to me. Wow, i'm glad you taught me this trash talking over the net technique, this is alot of fun.

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Alright, send me your paypal info by PM. I've done way worse. Note that the flight back is at your expense. My geographical location is in my sig. My address is on my CV. You know my email. Call me when you arrive. And meanwhile, if you want to post here, kid, talk like an educated person or keep the fuck out of this forum.

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This was a fun debate.

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I'm sorry but almost all of the "they" and "them" refers back to "everyone in the Middle East"
unless I'm understanding it wrong and you're refering to "Bush" or "Hitler" or "Muslims"

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Send it to jordan@kbuy.com you little dicked bastard. And by the way, whos questions have i not answered?

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I clearly said, "Bush is killing terrorists, Hitler killed jews". When i said "they" or "them", i meant TERRORISTS! Now if everyone over in the middle east were terrorists, which all of them are not, then i'd say fuck'em, kill'em all.

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YOUR GOD DAMN RIGHT HANGFIRE, THIS IS ALOT OF FUN! WOOT! HOW ABOUT YOU FRENCHMAN, HAVING FUN?

But you might want to replace that "was" with "is" because this is far from over.

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I really wasn't...but posts earlier on "humanitarian" causes has really prompted me to write this. If the American government is all for humanitarian causes, where were they when people in East Timor were being slaughtered? Is it coincidence that there's not much oil there?
As a matter of point here, while the UN may have eventually done something, Australia sent in troops to protect innocents, not to force people in East Timor to change their way of life.
And I should probably make this little point...no country does not have its own history of war and atrocities. So, if a region was at war, but is now stable, let it remain that way. The invasion of Iraq was justified by "weapons of mass destruction", of which none were found. Iraq was not attacked to save its people. The reasons were all wrong.
As for the tazer, while I don't think it was necessary, if the cop has been trained that it is used to resolve a situation without permanently affecting the person, fine. But to keep shocking her after she's laying on the ground? (that's how it appears to me - if he did not, well, that's different). I just don't happen to think electrocuting her was quite necessary at that stage, but then, I'm not a cop myself and usually aren't in situations like that.
And....I really shouldn't....but like it or not whitman, PMB did not insult you first. The comment he made, while maybe you found insulting, was not directed at you. Big difference. So just cool it a little mate, don't reply to this thread anymore, you'll just get worked up if you do. And, just to be fair (here's hoping I don't annoy an admin!) you too PMB.
And that's it! Unless a post is directed at me, I won't post any more in this thread.

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What exactly is your definition of "terrorists?"
and the way you are posting just reflects upon how much of the rules you've read..

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This is directed at you because I can reason with you. You just completely proved my point that the entire world looks to the US. Why should we have to go to East Timor, someone else can't take charge for once? Maybe we were tired from policing the world and would have appreciated someone else helping out. The way that everyone looks to the US feuls the way we Americans think we are above everyone else.

And yes, that insult WAS directed at me and every other American. He said he wanted to nuke the fuck out of Americans.....I am an American, so that includes me, and yes i found it insulting because i did not directly say anything about anyone in heres country, he started this.

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check your PM and keep personal things personal, or measures will be taken to ensure they will.

*edit* and about these questions you haven't answered, read my 2nd post in this thread and provide the facts I'm asking for.

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No i have not read the rules but i'm geussing your referring to my language use? Dude, did you read PMB's edit on the first page of this thread, he said "fuck" about 5 times.

And my def. of terrorist? One who kills the innocent for reasons unknown. One who can't be reasoned with. One who can't stand to watch a free country prosper. One who attacks like a coward and then flees to hide in the mountains. One who likes to cut the heads off of people, (i still haven't heard anyone tell me thats wrong.....)

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Check your PM.

Look, I'll give myself a warning for bad language. Next time in public, the Council has the right to ban me. Satisfied ?

And once and for all, provide the facts I'm asking for.

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Ok, now you're asking for it.
How many world wars was america late for? I count....2.
Take charge is not what america does. That implies that there isn't someone already in charge. The UN did not approve of invading iraq. Face it. People generally view americans as loud mouthed arrogant buggers. Face it. Yankie-land is not the be-all and end-all of societies. Face it. If you really want to go further with that, your country was founded by war - mine by a democratic vote. Does that mean your country is better than mine? No! Does it mean mine is better than yours? No!
Everybody does _not_ look to the u.s.a, it does not police the world, it tries to dominate it.
And if your point happens to be that the yank government only likes to intervene to force its views upon the rest of the world, your bloody well right I proved it!

------ I'll leave above, but apologise for it. Getting worked up, that's all, I shouldn't have, and apologise to everybody on bot-united about it, especially the founders. I would like to say that I don't view the above about individual people, but I do have my views about governments as an institution, and if anyone is offended by any slang (most notably "yank"), it's not meant to be used in an offensive manner, simply the way I talk.

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you seem to really want someone to agree with you.. don't have other people fight your battles for you, do it yourself. If you really think the US is expected to help everyone then join the army and help the US do these "humanitarian" slaughters.

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Will you stop making up the gayest crap and trying to say it is what i'm trying to prove? I don't want anyone to fight battles for me, haha, i'm american for christs sake. All i wanted people to say was that cutting off heads of innocent people is not cool, how does it get turned into this crap. Much like how this whole thing started in the first place, the video does not tie into this discussion at all, we have a humble brazillian to thank for that. I have to work in the morning, I'll be back in the morning. Good bye for now my friends!

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Lots of fun. A plane ticket will be delivered to his door soon. Let's now see if Mr. American freaks out. I'll stop here, because he asked me not to "talk trash" on his back.


More serious matters now: this thread is the shame of this forum. Pure Nukebox style flaming. You get it now why I had insisted in having a no politics clause in our rules ?

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Oh FFS - will someone lock this thread already?!

Pierre - I sure do hope you would realize that not EVERYONE in America supports Bush or his policies. This last election, he won by the slimest margin in many years, and I firmly believe that the only reason he won at all is because people tend to back a war-time president/prime minister/whatever - even if it doesn't make sense. And that isn't an American only trait - I've seen it all over the world and throughout history.

To just blanket everyone in America as being Bush supporters is frankly an insult and a slap to the face, and I'm getting tired of hearing it. You don't live here, and you don't know whats going on over here, or how unhappy many people are over here with how things are going. To say that you somehow understand, just because you watch some 10 second soundbite on your local news, or read the postings of some immature 12 year old on the Net, is naive at best, and arrogant at worst. I always figured you an intelligent, rational, mature person, please don't tell me I was wrong.


Whitman - I don't know how to put this to you nicely, but you don't know what your talking about. I wish you'd just step away from the keyboard and pick up a book about history or talk to someone who has actually lived thru the events your talking about, before you start to write about them as if you have first hand knowledge.

Its embarrassing both you and me.

Talk to a Vietnam/Iraq vet - understand what they had to go through thru their eyes. Read a book about the history of Vietnam - you'll be suprised about the true reasons for the war, how the foundations for it started MUCH earlier in time then most people believe, how many people on both sides desperately wanted to avoid the war and be friends, how (ironically) the French played a big role in setting the stage for it, the politics of the time, etc, etc. If you need ideas of some good books to read, I can gladly provide you with a list.





This post is probably going to piss everyone off, but it needs to be said. I will not reply to any post in this thread any further, I have a bot to work on. Thats what Bots- United is supposed to be about:

This talk is a conter-productive distraction and accomplishes nothing. It belongs somewhere else like slashdot, or some other flame forum.


BTW: tazering a woman again when shes down on the ground convulsing from the last blast, is abuse of power - pure and simple. Her nervous system was in a state of shock, there was no way she could comply that quickly to their request to put her hands behind her back. Anyone who believes otherwise doesn't understand the human body - read a book and understand.
Even if she had attacked them (which I think was just a BS excuse they made up for the camera so that they wouldn't get in trouble), to shock her again was totally uncalled for, and I hope the cop in question got his ass nailed to the wall for it.

The video doesn't show what became of this cop or this woman after the fact - perhaps he was punished or fired. Yeah it shows she was mouthy, and difficult, the cop had every right to be pissed. But does that mean he can do what he did - NO. He should have pulled her ass out and cuffed her.

I hate to be an ass and point this out - but YOU started this flame war: how you can justify nuking millions of people because of some pig cop from some random video thats designed to wind people up, instead of inform, is a leap of imagination I can't understand.

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In Canada no cop has the right to pull people over unless for reasonable cause, and if you are pulled over for unreasonable cause you can tell him to fuck off and die. It is not illegal to tell a cop or anyone to fuck off. If it is then show me the law.

The reason why we're getting shafted so bad, is that people are imagining that cops have more rights and more powers than they actually have.

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8 Month Pregnant Woman Assaulted by Police With Taser

Officers unable to extract an 8 month pregnant women from her vehicle used a 50,000 volt taser on her 7 months after the policy had been put in place for the police to able to use tasers in such situations. After being shocked she was taken to the ground and handcuffed. The November 2004 incident is only gaining attention now as the vicitim in engulged in a legal battle.

I see reports of about 1 death per month or two in the USA from taser(TM) attacks by police. The death rates appear to be increasing.

http://www.taser.com/images/site/main03.jpg

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@Maleficus

I agree with you that probably a majority of American's are embarrased by what's happening to their country. I've seen a whole range of emotions from anger to feelings of helplessness. I correspond with several people over in the USA and many are not happy at all. Some people want to see Bush swing from a tree for treason, others just want the Dems back in power hoping that will end the nightmare (but it won't). By all accounts the anger towards Bush and the neocons is growing in momentum.

There's a lot more going on, including an FBI investigation into an Israeli spy ring. Remember, Israel stood to gain from a US invasion of Iraq.

"It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)" - former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the day of the 9-11 attacks.

BTW, Bush had plenty of help winning the election throuwgh vote fraud. However, the Dems are just as guilty which is why there was so much silence on the issue. The Bush team simply did a better job of it than the Dems (or paid off/threatened/blackmailed Kerry). Bush practically owned most of those auditless vote machines for example.

See this recent report
Democracy at Risk: The 2004 election in Ohio

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This discussions has been out of hand for some while now... I generally agree with you, Maleficus... If we're gonna be any better than nuclearbox it doesn't help to be self-rightious anti-bush as opposed to self-rightious pro-bush (as far as i've understood the situation with nuclearbox).

This means that the moderators themselves have a great deal of responsibility concerning the flow of the discussions.
I don't mind anybody having an opinion as long as it is combined with respect for others opinions and as long as their right to express it is held up high. Even when whitman doesn't respect some opinions here, it is prudent that you, pmb, along with all the other moderators respect his.

So what I'm trying to say here is that I don't feel any moderators should restrict themselves in language or opinions or generel behaviour, as long as they carefully avoid flamewars.

I don't think it is neccesary to completely ban political discussions in order to avoid situations like this. When the mods aren't the the active part in a harsh discussion it won't be as difficult to step in and pull the topic back on place.

(oh btw, i haven't forgot you reply, botmeister, i'll probably try answer it later when i have some more time on my hands)

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I saw some questions as to what the police men should have done instead of using violence.

(stupid behaviour or not by the person involved.
If we have to taze everybody who's actinbg stupid then the whole world would smell like grilled bacon)

Simple Note the licence plate numer and send a big fine to the holder of that licence.
Very simple and effective Thats what they do here if they can't catch the offender on the spot.
And if someone panics or has mental problems to comply with police officer then they'll just make sure the person in question can't drive away.
And call in a backup team who can handle people in stress or panic.
Most of the time it is just enuf to wait just 5minutes till the person calms down and starts to realize what is going on.

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@Maleficus: yes, you are right. I may be the one responsible for this mess. Watching the video already upset me somehow, but then when I googled to find out more about the real events and that I landed on the thread I posted the link to, it went over the limit and I went completely mad. I apologize.

To be more fair I've given myself a warning for bad language already, it's noted in the admins forum :)

Yes, of course I understand not all americans share the same point of view as these kids. I actually hope only a small minority does. Drawing the equation american == beer/mcdo-eating redneck was stupid and only dictated by anger. I tried to calm down a few time later but then Whitman82 resurrected it instead of answering my questions and I went mad at him again. I see now that I'm no better than him. What an example 9_9

Sorry.

If another Council member wants to lock this thread (and eventually start a new one where we'll finish the debate peacefully), feel free to do so. I won't be the one doing it since I'm involved in the dispute, which makes me biased.

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fuckin' good that this fuckin' forum isnt fucki'g run by motherfuckers who don't fuckin' bother how fuckin' often the fucking word fuck is used, pmb :P

anyway, congratulations for being the first (self)warned council member / president. otherwise I'd have posted something in this direction this morning, yesterday evening I wasnt sure at first what could be meant in funny way, or rather not, since your first post here sounds more like a 'gulf war veteran on octoberfest', if you know what i mean :D

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I never wrote that, I never even compared Hitler with Bush. I wrote:In Brazil it is. "Disrespectful action towards an authority", or something like that. But they have to give you a warning first.

I have never insulted you and/or you nationality. I recommend you apologize. Not only to me, but to everyone. Otherwise, I don't think you should continue in this forum.

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Yes, you are right. I recall now that after the US started finger printing Brazilians traveling to the US, they decided to do the same to US travelers. Some US pilot got arrested for insulting the customs officer for giving him the finger - funny stuff really.

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As I remember, the only problem with Nuclearbox was a lack of respect towards the views of some of the posters by the site owner and a couple of his buddies. I think most of the mods were generally OK, at least I don't recall having any problems other than with Aux himself (but correct me if I'm wrong).

As long as we respect differing opinions, we should be OK discussing politics.

What started this thread was a video showing police electrocuting a woman.

What pissed off a couple people was the attidute that the torturing of a woman was somehow funny. It is a fact that attacks with a taser(TM) can kill you, and such a thing is no joke. You just don;t risk the life of someone over a minor traffic violation - it's clearly an act of police brutality.

Police brutality is not normally a political issue, until he politicians support it, as they appear to be doing in the USA and some other countries too.

This is a serious issue, and we should disccuss it as it affects all of us when our society goes to hell and stops respecting the rights of the individual.

It is our responsibility as individuals to learn what our rights are supposed to be, and to stand up to those who say otherwise, be it a cop, a politician or a judge.

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With this post i'd probably make a lot of friends or a lot of enemies.

I close this thread.

Why? Because it has been asked by (council) members several times.

Secondly.

I have read through the pages , and basicly it got worse and worse. Eventually i wonder what we have learned today.. We are nothing better then any board i have seen.

Its like human nature to rant about stuff, and its like human nature to call names when one does not agree. Also, its like human nature to read things you want to read them, instead of how they are 'meant' to be read.

Thirdly, we are not a board to discuss stuff like this.

Fourth, i recieved a mail to watch this thread, a moderate post. Actually a request to close the topic due personal insults. I don't think we need to explain rules over again. Although i am coming in late, i see 'warnings' are already given. So i can close it right away anyway.

Fifth. We should define 'flame' war and 'heavy discussion' before starting anything 'dangerous' like this again. But, didn't we agree NOT to discuss politics and a like at all. Only at very , uncommon, circumstances... like about the european elections... ofcourse no-one was really against the opinions on the board.

Sixth. What is with those keyboards these days? Sometimes the CAPS somehow jumps on for a few minutes... It does not impress me. It makes me skip the text as anything within CAPS longer then 2 words is not worthwile to read.

Seventh, last. I have seen a lot of mods, council members, replying, and actually getting into the discussion instead of 'staying out of it'. I don't say, never discuss when ur a moderator. But know when to discuss and know your/the limits. I have learned on Nukebox a lot. (not to be negative at all here). What i have learned the most from the internet, is that it is not as easy to get your message where and how you want it. I see several persons here reacting upon each other... and i think "what the heck"... simply because these persons already 'know' what they read, instead of actually reading the post.

There where a few good moments in the thread even. But now its way too worse. I close it. Period.

Thank you, and have a nice day.