Work on Wesite?

[biohazerd87]

this thread is mainly for T Wrecks but anyone can look at it ;)

should i get some of my guys to throw together a template and if so do you have any specifications that you want it to be by?

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Umm... yes... I mean, before whipping up a site, we'd better think about how it's supposed to look like. Of course, I'm open to any kind of suggestions, and I guess MarD will also have one or two nice ideas.

Anyway, here's what I thought of... I put it all into a super-crappy little GIF to show the general structure I had in mind. I added loads of explanations and text... just look at it and tell me your opinion. I'm sure this concept can be improved DRAMATICALLY - it's just a first brainstorm.

Oh, some technical notes: IF possible, I'd like (you :D) to keep the site technically simple, i.e. no fancy Flash stuff etc, and maybe not even JavaScript Pop-Up windows for the WP details (see attached file), but plain html links that open in a new window (or, if you have a decent browser, in a new tab).

NOTE: File is not a ZIP - it's a PNG. I just renamed it because attached PNG's can't exceed 19.5 kB. Just remove the ".zip" at the end.

[biohazerd87]

yeah that sounds good but like what about visually like what colors pictures, etc... and i will have to work on the upload part never really tried that.... and the site won't be flash at all i don't even know it that well

[MarD]

Heyyo,

The default layout you made there TWrecks is nice, but yeah, maybe make it a little more flashy on colors n' stuff, just nothing too major that others won't understand. Just tell your buds with photoshop we want a easy, but pleasing on the eyes look to the site.

We'll definately gonna have to setup a filter system, and maybe a search one too. and have things like filters for all bots, or selected bots.

For our news page, when putting waypoint files on, we should also set a Revision number for each one. Version numbers won't work nice since people have all kindof weird numberings (some are 0 decimals, while others are 5.. you get the idea) So for example Biohazard's DE_Dust waypoints R.1 and our revisions would go by the waypoints they uploaded to us, so if bio uploaded 1 main release, and 3 updates, I'd be R.4... you guys get the idea.

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Well, the colours were just to show the different parts of the site. I could have chosen pink and purple as well. :D It was just to make separations visible and is not intended to show or even hint at the definite colour scheme.

However, I think the "skeleton" must be defined before we decide which "clothes" to provide it with... we will want to know what buttons we need before getting some 1337 Photoshop gurus to make some that are never used.

@ MarD's post: First of all, thx for the input! =) I'm gonna post some thoughts on the filter system tomorrow, but I gotta get up in 5 hours, so no endless text this time... ;)

That idea with site-specified revision numbers is great! We should really do that.

[biohazerd87]

i want to get more into detail here tell me exactly what is going on the site

like are there going to be like waypoints for Podbot mm, Yapb, RealBot, etc and should the layout be based on spacific colors and graphics or just something simple.........


Things I Will Have To Learn:
How To Solve a Rubik's Cube:P
Learn To Make A Searcher (i know about half of it)
Learn To Make an Upload Section(also sortta know)


Questions:
Are we buying our own webspace for this
How much space will we get
What sort of layout do you want? one like www.rocks-hideout.com (http://www.rocks-hideout.com) (not color i mean like how everything is seperated up)

[Huntkillaz]

can u use google search within the website...??

i've seen some sites use those types of search engines

[biohazerd87]

welll i guess but i think they have to sponsor you to have that and besides that searchs the WHOLE site not waypoints.... i can do it i have just never made a searcher

[sPlOrYgOn]

searching is quite simple if you're going to use a SQL database to store the waypoint's information...

[MarD]

Heyyo,

We're just gonna get some webspace off PMB, speaking of which yeah, how much free webspace will we get PMB?

I like that rocks site, it's gotta nice layout, and I like the colors.

Once we get more into detail yeah, I think we should shape the frames. I'm sure whatever your photoshop buddies cook up will turn out great. ;)

Speaking of colors, dudes, should we use the same colors of BU, or are we just gonna pick our own?

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Webspace: Yes, Cpl. Shrike also said we could be hosted on BU
Database: I was thinking of some kind of database... A friend of mine once made a little custom map page where we stored 3 screenies with subtitles plus some info (waypoints yes/no; if yes, by whom etc.). The entire info could be entered into an excel table (VERY amateurish, I know!), and he programmed a little Perl script that would slap all the data onto an HTML page automatically. There must be a more professional way to get this concept to work. But I don't know jack sh*t about SQL databases... :|
Supported wp formats: I was thinking about all BU bots...8o :D
Colour scheme: Yes, that's a good point: BU "corporate identity" or something individual? Maybe we could integrate all RGB colours that BU uses, albeit in different proportions. For example, the dark blue you see in the bar for "quick reply" would be a nice BG colour IMHO... the light blue inside the box where you reply to a message could be the font colour that goes with it, and the medium blue you can see in the title bar of the "posting rules" box could be the rollover font colour, the darker blue from the bottom bar ("Contact us - Bots United...") could be the font colour for visited links, and so on... you get the idea (I hope)

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Hey, nothing wrong with excel dude, as I say "as long as it works, that's alright." :)

And yeah, that color scheme sounds nice TWrecks, I think it'll work out nice. ;)

As for the site, are we gonna incorporate BU's login's for commenting on waypoints/waypoint-packs? Cause I doupt everyone will like the idea of registering twice just to go on BU, and then again for Waypoints @ BU... I almost hesitated on signing up at RCbot's forums cause I was feeling lazy. :P

But yeah, for RCbot, nearly done, I played with those waypoints with some buds, n' the bots seemed to run pretty good on his comp (but he was using v1.3, so the bot's weren't as efficient as the latest beta build of v1.38 ). A few small fixes were needed, but I got most of them implemented. I'm almost done, just need to run through aboot 10-15 more maps and then the bot's SvenCoop HL1 Campaign waypointpack should be ready for release. So I was thinking, if we don't get the site up after a few days of me completing the pack, I'll put it in the filebase for now, n' then later we can just transfer it to our site.. how does that sound? :)

[biohazerd87]

soooo should i have someone make a template and if sooo what do you want the layout to look like or do you just want em to make on up

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

IMHO, the best approach would be:


Agree on the structure, the features and the functionality of the site.
See if somebody can get all that coded and if it's possible at all. If not, go back to 1) and keep the limitations in mind. If it IS possible...
Get a skeleton of the site working - no gfx, no effects, just plain, ugly default font text links.
Tinker around with that demo site a bit. See if it does what we want it to do. Make a small WP database and see if we can have search results filtered as we plan to do. Change a file's revision number and see if the changed number appears when we reload the page, etc.
"Skin" the whole thing and give it a nice layout.
If we can agree on the general scheme I posted, we ought to think about the necessary filters now... "sort by" and "display only" - but according to which criteria? How many parameters do we want to implement anyway?
File size, upload date, file time stamp, revision #, WP author, # of downloads, rating, new, updated, xx map type only ? All of them or just some?
And should the resulting list be customisable in a sense that the user can specify which columns to display? Let's say only time stamp, author and rating?

[biohazerd87]

lets start simple.... i will get somepeople to throw together a layout first

[biohazerd87]

check this template out, it isn't for the site but i just want you to see some of this work!!! http://www.crimsonsunsetrock.com/test1.jpg


and as for the layout copy that is so no one rips it off

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Ooo, nice, it looks 3Dish, but very simple, nice. :D

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

That looks nice indeed... I just hope we don't lose too much space due to that vertical division.

I'm gonna post more tomorrow, gotta go to sleep now.

-EDIT-

Ok, as announced, here's some terribly ugly little sketch based on bio's template. It shows the basic concept, and I wrote some text into the pic to explain things a little. Please ignore the "stone age kiddie style" layout skillz, ok? :o
For a visual impression of what the main part (thge waypoint list) is meant to look like, better refer to Counter-Server Maps... (server.counter-strike.net/maps/). I had thought about a list like that, only that we don't need preview thumbnails. Thus, each line wouldn't have to be as high as on CSM. Likewise, the huge number for ratings could be replaced by little stars (or bullets, or whatever).

Does that look like the most ridiculous concept you've ever seen or is it barely tolerable? ;)

Oh, another note: Of course we could add reverse ptions for the "sort by..." arguments, i.e. if there's an option "sort by name (a-z)", we could also add an option "sort by name (z-a)"...

[Attached file is NOT a zip! It's a png - please remove the second extension after d/l'ing... just added that to get around the size limitation for image files.]

[biohazerd87]

srry didn;t know you had posted :( .... uumm yeah i didn't actaully intend this to be for the website we are doing but if you wanna use it for that thats fine with me... i can also get the guy to extend the graphics so we don't have to make it 800 x 600 it can be like 1200 x 600 centerd or w/e... i will talk to squall about how he did the website voting stuff....



Actaully i think he manually adds the reviews that way he can look them over first

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Yeah, sorry... I saw too late that the template was just intended as a kind of quality sample and not as a draft for the WP page... I should read more thoroughly before I post something. ;)

Anyway, it's not that different from what I had in mind: A broad horizontal bar at the top, a side bar at the left, and the main frame in the lower right area of the screen. Only the bottom bar is superfluous IMHO. No problem, though - what I wrote into that screenie applies for any design, so no damage has happened.

What exactly do you mean by "he adds the reviews manually"? You are referring to the "official" reviews, right? The ones by the CSM reviewers, I suppose. I think the readers' comments are added automatically... and boy, are those stupid in 80% of all cases! o_O
A separation between "official" waypoint comments & ratings and player ratings looks indeed like a good thing to do...

In our waypoint list, it could look like this:
-------------------------------------------------------
WPU rating: ***
User rating: ****
-------------------------------------------------------

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Yeah, TWrecks, I was thinking on the lines of maybe setting it up like CSNation's "Skin Of The Day" archives. Like, have a main list, and then if you click on "full review" or something like that and I'd show you a main site editor's main review, and then the CSnationalist reviews. Another one I thought of was the skins/plugins section at winamp.com. It's prety cool, I'd have the main editors review, and a random comment from any user underneeth with their review. So there's 2 to think aboot eh?

Also, for file uploading, I'm guessing we'll be using that SCP/SFTP that BU uses right?

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Heyyo,

Yeah, TWrecks, I was thinking on the lines of maybe setting it up like CSNation's "Skin Of The Day" archives. Like, have a main list, and then if you click on "full review" or something like that and I'd show you a main site editor's main review, and then the CSnationalist reviews. That's what I had in mind. Just the rating stars in the list, and a click on the file brings up details (editor's comment, users' comments) plus download link. Not to forget, a "Rate / Comment" link, which will bring you to a rating interface where you can say how many stars you give and (optionally) leave a comment as well.


Another one I thought of was the skins/plugins section at winamp.com. It's prety cool, I'd have the main editors review, and a random comment from any user underneeth with their review. So there's 2 to think aboot eh? Not bad, either, but this would require a different site structure.


Also, for file uploading, I'm guessing we'll be using that SCP/SFTP that BU uses right? You mean the one none of us knows a f*ck about 'cuz we're too damn stupid to even upload to the filebase? Yeah, I guess so. Why?

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Well, I doupt you n' Bio are stupid, it's probably just me cause I have no idea how to upload to the filebase, which's why the latest EPB release is just an attachment in my post instead of an actual file in the filebase. I'mma forum moddie n00b... w00t! :D :D :D

So err, a little offtopic, can you teach me how to upload to the filebase TWrecks for Bio? please? this may come in handy once I start getting newer versions of E[POD]bot and if the forum council will letme upload here n' stuff. :P

I'll try downloading that free proggie PMB posted to see what uploading with it is like. I'm only used to FTP. I use like, FlashFXP I thnk it's called... Hopefully that SCP/SFTP isin't much different... here's the link to that post with that free proggie: (at least I think it's free...) http://forums.bots-united.com/showthread.php?t=2795

[EDIT]
Oh, forgot to write why, if it ain't obvious from above, cause I dunno how that SCP/SFTP proggie works, but I bet it shouldn't be too different from my current FTP proggie... I'm gonna start writing this program, cause proggie's making me think of perrogies... and now I'm like... starving... :P

[biohazerd87]

you guys are thinking way to far ahead, not that it is bad it is great but we haven't even started the website, if anything we need to throw together a list of things we: will need, want, or want to try....

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Ok, let's start with the database, because we will need one. Some kind of table the content of which can be read and put into the right place on an HTML page, and in the format we specify. For example, if there is a column named "rating", and this column contains the value "4" for the map as_oilrig, then on the web page in the line for as_oilrig, there should be 4 little stars or whatever we use under "rating".
I figure we could read comments or site reviews for any waypoint from such a table as well...
Another question is: Can we write stuff into the table / database automatically? Let's say a user clicks on "comment/rate", writes "this waypoint file sucks, bots keep getting stuck" and rates "1" out of 5 stars... how do we get this into our table automatically? Can we program the page in a way that the values and the text entered by our user will automatically be added into the table / database, and that upon the next reload, these freshly entered values will be displayed already?

[biohazerd87]

yeah, i can think of about 50 ways to do this, but you way sounds the best, altho this is a little over my head, i know some people who can help

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

You will need PHP and SQL for that. We can open a table for you in the BU server's SQL database. Ask Onno for the database stuff, he knows that better than me.

[biohazerd87]

yeah i knew you needed PHP and SQL or ACESS, it is kinda like a forum i just don't really know how to write it

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Well, anyway it sounds like it's possible, and while it might not be easy, I suppose it's not rocket science, either... or is it? :|

I reckon that for a first step, it can't hurt to think...
a) how the table is to be composed (how many columns)
b) how many fields are to be "interactive", i.e. get changed automatically once a user downloads a file (download count +1), rates (new average rating calculated automatically) or reviews it (review text added somewhere).

Another question... how is this user rating stuff done, for example? Let's take CSM as an example once more... when there's a new map, the staff rates it, let's say 4, and adds a review. Now 3 more people rate, let's say 2,2 and 4. The new average rating would thus drop to 3. But are there like 20 empty slots for ratings in a kind of table, or are these user ratings kept somewhere else to calculate the up-to-date average?
Pretty much the same goes for the user reviews... is there a certain amount of database entries reserved, or how does it work?

Excuse me, I'm really a n00b at such things...

Another thing we might want to consider is the possibility to delete user ratings / reviews. Look at CSM: Sometimes a map gets bad scores just because some brain-damaged kiddie stops by, writes "Hello I'm Dave" into the review field and rates the map 0-0-0-0-0...>:(
If I were member of the CSM crew, I'd delete such nonsense.

[biohazerd87]

Well, anyway it sounds like it's possible, and while it might not be easy, I suppose it's not rocket science, either... or is it? :|

I reckon that for a first step, it can't hurt to think...
a) how the table is to be composed (how many columns)
b) how many fields are to be "interactive", i.e. get changed automatically once a user downloads a file (download count +1), rates (new average rating calculated automatically) or reviews it (review text added somewhere).

Another question... how is this user rating stuff done, for example? Let's take CSM as an example once more... when there's a new map, the staff rates it, let's say 4, and adds a review. Now 3 more people rate, let's say 2,2 and 4. The new average rating would thus drop to 3. But are there like 20 empty slots for ratings in a kind of table, or are these user ratings kept somewhere else to calculate the up-to-date average?
Pretty much the same goes for the user reviews... is there a certain amount of database entries reserved, or how does it work?

Excuse me, I'm really a n00b at such things...

Another thing we might want to consider is the possibility to delete user ratings / reviews. Look at CSM: Sometimes a map gets bad scores just because some brain-damaged kiddie stops by, writes "Hello I'm Dave" into the review field and rates the map 0-0-0-0-0...>:(
If I were member of the CSM crew, I'd delete such nonsense.
the thing is i don't think CSM updates automaticaly, like if i submit a rating and comment or w/e it doesn't show up, it is reviewed and then posted, thats how it works on CSM, i am pretty sure at least

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Really?!?! 8o OMG, how can they let so many stupid reviews get through?

Anyway, that doesn't really change much. The question is, where and how do they store the stuff? Do they have the reviews and ratings in separate [text?] files they read out by means of a script? Or do they have them right in their database?

Otherwise, the only actual difference would be that not the necessary database entries / source files are not edited by a user via some kind of web interface, but by the editors, via manual and direct access to the database.

[MarD]

Heyyo,

I agree, anyone should be allowed to post ratings/comments but like, we should be able to moderate them like the forums. Which makes me think, are we gonna use Bots-United login system to be able to post ratings/comments, or are we gonna make a separate one to just lower the confusion?

The ideas for this site are really starting to bloom, I can almost see the site in full action right now in my head... sweet. :)

I think this site will generate more traffic than our waypoint section (and probably more annoying traffic like TWrecks states for CSM), so yes well need to have control of any innapropriate postings.

[biohazerd87]

well how do you wanna do it, do you want it to be a form that has the rating inputs then when they click submit it sends the email to me or w/e and then i post it, eeerr something else

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

The automatic system...
advantage: Runs for itself once it's up
disadvantage: Users might post shit, and God knows when we'll find it out.

However, it might be possible to delete stupid reviews and the ratings connected with them. Let's say a user named "n00b0tr0n!c" posted "I rule" in the review text section and rated the WP 0. If this is stored somewhere, an admin could have the privilege to edit the review so that it reads ' "n00b0tr0n!c" has posted a stupid and useless comment', and the rating gets deleted so that it's no longer calculated.

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The mail submission system...
advantage: Admins would have full control over submitted material and the ability do delete / ignore idiotic postings and / or edit posts to remove stupid greetings or offensive stuff.
disadvantage: There's no telling if we'll have some cute & cuddly 5 mails in 3 days, or if traffic will grow over our heads.

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I'm really not sure what to decide for... :|

[sPlOrYgOn]

the automatic one with "report bad post" just like in vB and a lot of BBs..

[biohazerd87]

well honestly i don't think we would get TONS of ratings not that we won't, but i will need to get some help if we do it the auto way cause that calls for PHP or script which i am still learning

[stefanhendriks]

suggestion:

- do use the 5 stars system
- only let bots-united forum members vote (use same login/username)

this way you can also track bad behaviour via the databsae, makes it easier for us to moderate in a whole (ie, when a user messes up the database of the maps, we can kick him, simply applying the FBRC to this person. We might have to extend the FBRC for this though).

I think the way like Windows (eek!) Media Player handles music is a way to handle waypoint files too.

Filename / map
Bot compatibility
Rating (0/5 stars)
Size (kb)

I would not do per mail, use a forum style thingy. So people can comment on each file if they want to. And, to prevent stupid comments, you can perhaps build in an auto-filter. (ie people saying F*CK or "STUPID map" and such will be auto-filtered and not posted. You can also require the user to hae mroe then x words , etc)

I'd say, try to make it as effecient as possible, moderating such a site will probably take more time then you precalculate at first..

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Stephan's right guys, let's do it auto-posting, but put on some filters, then it's easier for us (and our e-mail inboxes), and most of the hard work will be filtered out automatically, nice thinkin' man, I likes. :)

No one seems to oppose the idea of opening another mini-forum for waypoint commenting, so that's cool. We should do this and then the majority of the commenting/rating system will be done, and all you'd need to do is figure out how to tie both together. Like PMB suggested, talk to onos, cause he's probably got the most knolege on how you could achieve this bio.

This thread's starting to generate some interest towards the forum council, so I think they're all for this idea, so we've got the support of them too. :D

[biohazerd87]

well this is all great but again i would have no idea how to get the user names from BU to work, but i am probly interpreting this wrong also?

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Well, the BU forums is powered by the vbulletin forum system, so what you really need to learn is how the vbulletin system works.

[biohazerd87]

my vote is to have a setup email account where ratings are sent when they form is filled out then once a week we will update the site with them

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Yes, that's pretty much what I had in mind, cause that's how CSNation does it with their skin of the day section, and since we all need access to them, a main e-mail account is definately the easiest way to set things up.

[biohazerd87]

i vote we just use a gmail account... great orginazation, anyone can access it and we are good to go

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Sounds good, how big are those inboxes? I'm sure it won't matter too much cause we'll be only getting waypoints at a max of 1MB, but just wonderin'..

[biohazerd87]

Heyyo,

Sounds good, how big are those inboxes? I'm sure it won't matter too much cause we'll be only getting waypoints at a max of 1MB, but just wonderin'..lol 1 gig of space man.... HUGE



Ok well this weekend i will start on the layout, probly have the setup ready to go and you guys can have a look if we get an FTP or w/e

[biohazerd87]

ok i will setup a gmail account

does botsunited@gmail.com sound ok?

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Sounds somewhat "complete BU"-ish to me. Maybe "BU-waypoints [at] gmail.com?" Something like that, which makes it clear that it's not an address that applies to all kind of BU-related stuff, only to the waypoint-site.

We might also choose a site name that can be abbreviated, just like Counter-Server Maps (CSM). Bots-United Waypoints? BUWP? Or WPBU? The account could then be named accordingly, like "BUWP [at] gmail.com"?

Or could we get a BU mail account so that the mail addy could be "waypoints [at] bots-united.com"?

Questions, questions... :D

[biohazerd87]

Sounds somewhat "complete BU"-ish to me. Maybe "BU-waypoints [at] gmail.com?" Something like that, which makes it clear that it's not an address that applies to all kind of BU-related stuff, only to the waypoint-site.

We might also choose a site name that can be abbreviated, just like Counter-Server Maps (CSM). Bots-United Waypoints? BUWP? Or WPBU? The account could then be named accordingly, like "BUWP [at] gmail.com"?

Or could we get a BU mail account so that the mail addy could be "waypoints [at] bots-united.com"?

Questions, questions... :D
well we can have more than one account lol but we don't need one.... and i am still confused on who is providing the space? is anyone? or do we have to get our own?

[MarD]

Heyyo,

We're getting some webspace here at BU (I'm sure if we asked we could, do we need to start a poll or just ask the forum countcil members?)

as for e-mail? I think it'll be easier to get a gmail account so they won't have to setup one for us. ;)

[biohazerd87]

the email for bots untied waypoint site will be wpbotsunited[AT]gmail.com

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

MarD as soon as we add a new host to Bots United a script automatically creates the subdomain, reserves HDD space, creates the home directory, enables shell login, creates his email account and an alias, and creates a CVS user. So you see, that's not something I would worry about ;)

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Ooohh, automated, nice. :)

So err.. we gonna use the one we will probably get provided by BU, or are we gonna use that gmail one? I'm leaning towards BU cause I'm not too sure aboot gmail cause they might have advertisements/spyware. Remember, havn't used gmail, I'm not too sure how clean it is, is all I'm sayin'.

[biohazerd87]

Heyyo,

Ooohh, automated, nice. :)

So err.. we gonna use the one we will probably get provided by BU, or are we gonna use that gmail one? I'm leaning towards BU cause I'm not too sure aboot gmail cause they might have advertisements/spyware. Remember, havn't used gmail, I'm not too sure how clean it is, is all I'm sayin'.

no nothing like that man... here read this http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html#ads
it explains it...

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Oh ok, then gmail ain't bad at all cause the ads on google are pretty minimal. If we do use gmail then I'd be able to live with those ads cause google's the only searchengine I use. :D

[biohazerd87]

ok check it out it is really really rough, the text and stuff will probly be changed but just so you can see... http://lan.crazymonkeycomputers.com

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Nice man, all it needs is some tweaking so it fits the window, and those logos like you showed, and it's gonna be great. :)

[biohazerd87]

Heyyo,

Nice man, all it needs is some tweaking so it fits the window, and those logos like you showed, and it's gonna be great. :)
unfortunatly that is how big the background is 800x600 i was thinking maybe we should do a java script popup or something like that

[sPlOrYgOn]

nah just center that background then put the rest of the background a similar color..

[biohazerd87]

nah just center that background then put the rest of the background a similar color..
yeah but i am using div tags, and i have a table on it and i can't use the div tag alignment correctly..... i'll figure it out....8)

[sPlOrYgOn]

just do <div align="center">...</div>
why wouldn't it work?
It's always worked for me..
inside, outside, or around tables.. it works..

[biohazerd87]

just do <div align="center">...</div>
why wouldn't it work?
It's always worked for me..
inside, outside, or around tables.. it works..but the div tags arn't aligned to center or left or right, they are custom

[sPlOrYgOn]

bleh I see why now...
you're making it hard for yourself..
if I were you I'd cut the image up and put the text in a big table with the cut up images as background...
what you're doing right now will be very hard to maintain if the menu keeps changing...
for some reason I get the feeling you're using dreamweaver...

[biohazerd87]

bleh I see why now...
you're making it hard for yourself..
if I were you I'd cut the image up and put the text in a big table with the cut up images as background...
what you're doing right now will be very hard to maintain if the menu keeps changing...
for some reason I get the feeling you're using dreamweaver...
well i kinda am using dw but i am write the code by hand.... and the only reason i have the menu like that was to add that text in there it won't be like that later

[biohazerd87]

UPDATE

I am only going to work on the websitem during the weekends, if you are unhappy with the way i am doing things or they way they look i understand, just let me know

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Well dude, whatever way you chose will be ok, as long as it fits all screen rez's fine. ;)

[biohazerd87]

i have done some more... still looks like crap... this is just an outline... anything can be changed including font, color, sizes etc.... the only link that works is the PODBOT2.66mm waypoint one and after that click the testpack link

http://lan.crazymonkeycomputers.com

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Heh, nice Bio, looks better each time. ;)

The template seems sharper than the last one, so that's cool too. :)

For the waypoint table, you forgot to put in the revision part. ;)

[biohazerd87]

Heyyo,

Heh, nice Bio, looks better each time. ;)

The template seems sharper than the last one, so that's cool too. :)

For the waypoint table, you forgot to put in the revision part. ;)lol good point..... HEY IT'S MY 500TH POST YAY!!!!

[sPlOrYgOn]

What's podbot 2.6mm???
it's called podbot mm now...

[biohazerd87]

What's podbot 2.6mm???
it's called podbot mm now...
i was just pulling the titles from the filebase here... they arn't perminate.... or how ever the f you spell it

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Yeah, it's still WIP, so we better catch all the errors now before throwing it out there for the masses. And from what I see, we ain't far from it. ;)

I'd be great if we can get this up before the official CS:S bot, so once it's up, we can get some high quality nav packs out for it too, that'll boost the site's popularity 10 fold inna matter of days. I'm sure at the rate the official CS:S bot's taking, we'll have a time advantage. :P

[EDIT]
I've seen how the official CSbot nav's, and dead_buoy's console commands, so I'm sure I could pump out a few good nav files too. ;)

[biohazerd87]

Heyyo,

Yeah, it's still WIP, so we better catch all the errors now before throwing it out there for the masses. And from what I see, we ain't far from it. ;)

I'd be great if we can get this up before the official CS:S bot, so once it's up, we can get some high quality nav packs out for it too, that'll boost the site's popularity 10 fold inna matter of days. I'm sure at the rate the official CS:S bot's taking, we'll have a time advantage. :P

[EDIT]
I've seen how the official CSbot nav's, and dead_buoy's console commands, so I'm sure I could pump out a few good nav files too. ;)
yes well there isn't much more i can actaully do because i don't have anything to work with... i mean i can setup the layout which reminds me i need a list of all the bots we are making waypoints for... and can you catagorize them so you would have

Podbot MM

EPODBOT
IVbot
other bots that use the same waypoints as podbot

NAV Files
etc
and also i need someone to make a logo for the top part... it would be nice to have a contest.. .see who can make the best one... i'll have some guys here try to come up with something other than that we should be getting close to done with it... altho i haven't tryed to make a searcher or anything mainly because there is nothing to search for and i don't really know how to make one yet, and i am lazy :P

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Yeah, that setup's nice, but remember, there's 2 types of pwf files:

-the A* system (by SF and Austin that's incorporated in PODbot mm and POXbot)

-The classic PODbot system (by CF incorporated in PODbot v2.5 and down, EPB, YAPB, IVPbot, etc.)

So yeah, just name them something like that. I'm sure you guys will think of something more accurate...

For Nav files, they'll need to be broken down into 2 sections: Official CS:CZ bot, and Official CS:S bot. Turtlerock's apparently heavily modifying their current bot for CZ and improving it a lot for CS:S, so there might be a nav system overhaul...

[sPlOrYgOn]

1. Why are all the other podbot derives a subset of podbot mm?

2. A* really has nothing to do with how waypoints are saved...

3. Austin and SF only made the waypoint EDITOR.. they didn't change anything in the waypoint format... so POXBot I believe should go with the other bots...

4. PMB just changed what KIND of numbers were saved for camp waypoints only.. so what you get is bots looking in strange directions for camp waypoints.. but waypoint files are still compatible..

5. So there is only 1 type of current podbot wp file..

[biohazerd87]

1. Why are all the other podbot derives a subset of podbot mm?

2. A* really has nothing to do with how waypoints are saved...

3. Austin and SF only made the waypoint EDITOR.. they didn't change anything in the waypoint format... so POXBot I believe should go with the other bots...

4. PMB just changed what KIND of numbers were saved for camp waypoints only.. so what you get is bots looking in strange directions for camp waypoints.. but waypoint files are still compatible..

5. So there is only 1 type of current podbot wp file..
wow thanks for letting is know :|

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Heh, I dunno, I heard A* somewhere so I threw that into the name. :P



Well, in general, yes it's the same as the other PODbot waypoint systems minus the camp waypoints, and the extra 2 pathwaypoint lines... Because of those 2 bonus pathwaypoint lines, I think PODbot mm is incompatible with the original waypoint style.... I'll have to try a PODbot mm waypoint in E[POD]bot to see if there is no compatibility errors.

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Just dropping by to let you know I'm still interested in this... just that I ndon't have much time.

@ sPlO: I agree with all points, but let's not start that compatibility discussion again, ok? I think we can all agree that...

using PB mm waypoints for PB mm is better than using PB 2.5 waypoints and

using PB 2.5 waypoints for PB 2.5 is better than using PB mm waypoints,

whereas it doesn't matter if you use EPB or PB 2.5 waypoints for EPB or PB 2.5

- no matter because of which technical detail that might be.

The division is not intended for any other thing than to help people choose the ideal solution for them, period. We can still place a note somewhere that you can use e.g. PB mm for PB 2.5 because they are compatible in a technical sense, although not ideal.

@ biohazerd: The template doesn't look bad, and the functionality is just as I had imagined it to be (well, as far as that can be judged at such an early stage of development). Oh, and is it me or is that blue a bit "baby/candy blue"-ish?

At the end of the day, the font size will have to be smaller, I'd get rid of the broad divisions between table cells and go for the "thin horizontal line" or "zebra stripes" look. But that can be adjusted...

[biohazerd87]

Just dropping by to let you know I'm still interested in this... just that I ndon't have much time.

@ sPlO: I agree with all points, but let's not start that compatibility discussion again, ok? I think we can all agree that...

using PB mm waypoints for PB mm is better than using PB 2.5 waypoints and

using PB 2.5 waypoints for PB 2.5 is better than using PB mm waypoints,

whereas it doesn't matter if you use EPB or PB 2.5 waypoints for EPB or PB 2.5

- no matter because of which technical detail that might be.

The division is not intended for any other thing than to help people choose the ideal solution for them, period. We can still place a note somewhere that you can use e.g. PB mm for PB 2.5 because they are compatible in a technical sense, although not ideal.

@ biohazerd: The template doesn't look bad, and the functionality is just as I had imagined it to be (well, as far as that can be judged at such an early stage of development). Oh, and is it me or is that blue a bit "baby/candy blue"-ish?

At the end of the day, the font size will have to be smaller, I'd get rid of the broad divisions between table cells and go for the "thin horizontal line" or "zebra stripes" look. But that can be adjusted...
as for the color... the guy no longer has the PSD file to change the colors so we are stuck with that... unless you really don't like that, i can probly get him to make it again... and the tables ya i know i am just trying some things... i don't do a lot of designing... i ususally do the code

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Uhh, wait a second... but you have the gfx in some shape or form, don't you? And why wouldn't it be possible to edit those with PS? Not that it's that important...

In December, I'll post some stuff concerning the layout. But for now, I'm gonna lay down - bedtime! Got a long & hard day tomorrow.

[biohazerd87]

Uhh, wait a second... but you have the gfx in some shape or form, don't you? And why wouldn't it be possible to edit those with PS? Not that it's that important...

In December, I'll post some stuff concerning the layout. But for now, I'm gonna lay down - bedtime! Got a long & hard day tomorrow.
the way these types of layouts are made is they have lots and lots of layers, so the drop shadows, shades etc have their own layer... which means that in psd form you can change the color properties... and it changes the other layers shading to coenside with the color... it would be hard, maybe even impossible to change the colors of the JPEG format of the layout

[biohazerd87]

ok done some more work... the scroll bar looks like shit i just haven't gotten to change it yet... the PHP isn't set up on the server so it won't load PHP pages
so you can't view the score page or anything yet... i'll let u know when i fix that

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Yeah, it doesn't suit the current template, but dude, that scrolling news thing is kickass, gj on that man. :)

the site looks a lot better btw, the organization on the waypoint downloading pages are much better, keep it up man. ;)

[biohazerd87]

ok i got the PHP working but i don't know how to get the echo or text taht apears after the action page to get in the div tag, not behinde it. if anyone knows how to do this help would be a great thing :)

[biohazerd87]

yay i got that working(thanks to splorygon) but i am still having problems with the score menu select

[biohazerd87]

ok fixed all the php problems and i adjusted the scroll bar colors... make sure you look at a page that scrolls and doesn't... i still am not hot about the colors but we will see... i need to add the other waypoints for bots

OK joebot is up!!
ok podbot 2.5 is up the forum link is up

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Nice work man, you're fast! :)

I just tried entering some feedback, just for the shits & giggles... the submit form seemed to work fine, only that it redirected me to the main index instead of the last waypoint list I had visited. And it didn't show the new comment / rating, but afair, we had agreed on checking comments before releasing them, right? Ans anyway, I suppose you'r still working on it...

I'm not too excited about the colours, and I'm not too excited about the width for the WP table being so restricted because that vertical line between the main frame and the menu bar isn't really vertical and the menu bar is a tad too fat. Same goes for that title bar...

Oh, and one suggestion: In that rating interface, it might be a good idea add a little info behind the "score" dropdown list - like "1=worst, 5=best"... just to avoid any misunderstandings.

[biohazerd87]

<TEST>
This is without doubt the finest waypoint pack that has ever been released! :P
</TEST>
hahaha nice

but yea the reason the link redirects you there is cause i was in a hurry to see if the redirect would even work and i just wanted to test it and never got to change it back.... and about the colors.... :( sorry they don't work out... again i guess i can have the guy try to change them? and the size is the same way... the reason it is that size is cause originaly i was going to have flash buttons for the navigation bar but that fell thru cause of time... also if you have noticed that the template is exactly 800X600 to match that resolution and anything above it... because not too many people use 640x480 ... not saying that nobody does but that would be too small... and i didn't wanna go 1024x768 cause then people at 800x600 would scroll... a lot and i didn't want to make a 1024x768 auto resize cause it would cause lots of frame and scroll problems! so you see there is usually some reson i do things like this... kinda like waypoints... sorry if this isn't what you where looking for?:(

oh and i am willing to host the site at http://lan.crazymonkeycomputers.com that is if all the waypoint files and the like are still uploaded to the filebase and the links are added to the website... and we can even buy another .com and just use the file space...i am getting a good deal anyways... 5 bucks for 10 gigs of bandwidth and 150 megs of space..... so it's fine with me

[sPlOrYgOn]

There is one big problem I see with what you're doing..
making a page for each waypoint pack/file will make you end up with thousands of pages on your server.. and if you decide to change the design... you would have to edit each page...

[biohazerd87]

There is one big problem I see with what you're doing..
making a page for each waypoint pack/file will make you end up with thousands of pages on your server.. and if you decide to change the design... you would have to edit each page...
not if i make a CSS and if you have a better idea don't point someone out and then not help

[biohazerd87]

i changed the score thing so on 1 it says 1-Lowest and on 5 it says 5-Highest

i also changed the refresh to change you back to the list of mappacks that you are under.. so if you posted a score for podbotmm it will bring you back to the map packs page of podbot mm

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Well, I can live with the colours & stuff... I just think it would have been nice to have a bit more space for the waypoint table so that d/l count can be displayed right on the main window. But depending on which font / font size we choose, it might still be included.

[biohazerd87]

Well, I can live with the colours & stuff... I just think it would have been nice to have a bit more space for the waypoint table so that d/l count can be displayed right on the main window. But depending on which font / font size we choose, it might still be included.
well i can fit it in there, but i was thinking about that... i don't wanna sound like a dick but... who cares about the download count... when i am downloading something i want to see the rating no the download count... cause if the ratings suck and it has a million downloads then taht means there are a million morons

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

guess where this last sentence will land... :P

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

You know, the reason behind was the possibility to sort waypoint files by popularity - like the maps on CSM. Of course that doesn't mean that the most popular file is the best. I mean, fy_iceworld is certainly among the most popular cs maps ever, but is it good? No.

Remember we can't choose our audience - wise people will know that 85% of the CS community is likely to be composed of morons, and that popularity rankings due to the judgement of 100,000 people, (85,000 of which are morons), can be happily ignored. But our 85,001st moron visitor might be happy about it.

Come to think of it, we could replace "sort by popularity" with "a moron's best choice".

[biohazerd87]

ok good point lol

[biohazerd87]

oh... ok at this time...i don't really wanna... but i would like only >BKA< T Wrecks and MarD to answer to this but do you guy have any suggestions other than the colors, dl counts, and other things of the sort? like should i add another bot section, should i change the layout of something, should i kill myself cause the site sucks the big one111!...etc???:(

And splorygon, i know you will take your own time, to tell me i suck and what ever i am doing is retarded and you have a better way but instead of helping you just decided to demise me, so your name is added to the list

[MarD]

Heyyo,

sPlOrYgOn's not despising you dude, he's just annoyed how people treat PODbot mm like a completely different waypoint format. I tried the waypoints with E[POD]bot, and yes they do work right. :)

Yo sPlO, can't you add like, the classic camp style, and then ontop add the variables to the new camp style that PM added? then there'd be like, no problems. All you'd really need to do is checks to see if your new variables exist, and if not I'd revert to the old style. I'm sure for other PODbot mods they'd not even worry aboot the new style if the old style was put in first, and since this change is small, I'm sure it wouldn't mess up the waypoint format for any bots. :)

[EDIT]
Oops, forgot to comment on site. it's coming along in leaps and bounds dude. I'm lovin' it. But the only thing I wish that could happen is that I'd be like you said where I'd strech/shrink to fit all screensizes, cause most people nowadays has windows xp and the smallest screen size it usually defaults to is 800x600. But most people love their screensize and rev it up to 1024x768. Especially us gamers, cause we're more into detail than the average computer users. ;)

For the waypoint pages, are you doing them all by html, or is it PHP? cause I know by html that'll be a little hard on ya cause you'd need to put them all in by hand, and tha'd take some time, and for now only you'd be able to do it cause I'm pretty bad at Html without a proggie like M$ Frontpage. :P

[biohazerd87]

Heyyo,

sPlOrYgOn's not despising you dude, he's just annoyed how people treat PODbot mm like a completely different waypoint format. I tried the waypoints with E[POD]bot, and yes they do work right. :)

Yo sPlO, can't you add like, the classic camp style, and then ontop add the variables to the new camp style that PM added? then there'd be like, no problems. All you'd really need to do is checks to see if your new variables exist, and if not I'd revert to the old style. I'm sure for other PODbot mods they'd not even worry aboot the new style if the old style was put in first, and since this change is small, I'm sure it wouldn't mess up the waypoint format for any bots. :)

[EDIT]
Oops, forgot to comment on site. it's coming along in leaps and bounds dude. I'm lovin' it. But the only thing I wish that could happen is that I'd be like you said where I'd strech/shrink to fit all screensizes, cause most people nowadays has windows xp and the smallest screen size it usually defaults to is 800x600. But most people love their screensize and rev it up to 1024x768. Especially us gamers, cause we're more into detail than the average computer users. ;)

For the waypoint pages, are you doing them all by html, or is it PHP? cause I know by html that'll be a little hard on ya cause you'd need to put them all in by hand, and tha'd take some time, and for now only you'd be able to do it cause I'm pretty bad at Html without a proggie like M$ Frontpage. :Pwell i am using dreamweaver mainly cause i like the upload part of it... it's great... but the only pages that are in php are the review pages of the packs.. and the action pages of them but you never see those...
the other thing is remember if i didn't make it 1024x768 think how much i would have to scroll to see the page? and i know how we like our screen sizes huge mine is 1152 x 864... and at times it is even 1280 x 1024 but again... the scrolling would be really really annoying

but again i can chage it if you want

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Idiot question N° 1: One thing I'd like to know is why we're so bound to that template. I mean, how much does the template affect the actual code? On an HTML page, altered frame divisions would only mean a change of numbers... is it THAT different with the WP page?

Idiot question N° 2: Likewise, would it be possible to (a) make the top of the page less high so that it occupies less space, or (b) get rid of the bottom bar and put the content somewhere into the top part?

Idiot question N° 3: Would it be possible to apply the important parts of the code (i.e. the parts that define what the site DOES, and not what it looks like) to a cheap-ass, n00bish kind of "framesets made easy" page? Or are frames a no-no?

Concerning other categories: YES! HPB-Bot, GraveBot, well... all bots on BU, in fact. In the long run. =)

Most of all, keep it up - you're learning the stuff as you're coding it, and the site has made considerable progress so far - and at an amazing speed, too.

[biohazerd87]

Idiot question N° 1: One thing I'd like to know is why we're so bound to that template. I mean, how much does the template affect the actual code? On an HTML page, altered frame divisions would only mean a change of numbers... is it THAT different with the WP page?

Idiot question N° 2: Likewise, would it be possible to (a) make the top of the page less high so that it occupies less space, or (b) get rid of the bottom bar and put the content somewhere into the top part?

Idiot question N° 3: Would it be possible to apply the important parts of the code (i.e. the parts that define what the site DOES, and not what it looks like) to a cheap-ass, n00bish kind of "framesets made easy" page? Or are frames a no-no?

Concerning other categories: YES! HPB-Bot, GraveBot, well... all bots on BU, in fact. In the long run. =)

Most of all, keep it up - you're learning the stuff as you're coding it, and the site has made considerable progress so far - and at an amazing speed, too.
well the website is built around the template... and there is a frameset... the main section is the frame...... and i will add the other bots... so what you want is that you want the content page bigger? i think i can stretch the template to make it a little taller and wider if that works?

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Sounds good man.

Ok, for the navigation bar, we can shrink that a bit (look at the indents onnit when you select it, tha's an inch we can give back to the main nav section. ;) )

And that bottom bar? yeah we can get rid of it cause we'll have a link section anywho eh? and if they're too lazy to not click onnit? that's their prob. :P

[biohazerd87]

Heyyo,

Sounds good man.

Ok, for the navigation bar, we can shrink that a bit (look at the indents onnit when you select it, tha's an inch we can give back to the main nav section. ;) )

And that bottom bar? yeah we can get rid of it cause we'll have a link section anywho eh? and if they're too lazy to not click onnit? that's their prob. :P
i am still confused on what you want me to do with the nav bar... just make it smaller? and i took the bottom part off and it looked like crap... if you want i can just expand the template height by about 100 more pixels which is more than the bottom bar is total

[MarD]

Heyyo,

What I mean is clip off the left side of the navigation bar, and add that new space to the content bar so we can have a lot more room to put stuff there cause the Nav bar has a lot of empty space on the left we can use better. ;)

[biohazerd87]

Heyyo,

What I mean is clip off the left side of the navigation bar, and add that new space to the content bar so we can have a lot more room to put stuff there cause the Nav bar has a lot of empty space on the left we can use better. ;)well i can't just clip it off cause we still won't have anymore space for the content i would have to sctretch the other one too lol.... am will cut some of the middle out off the nav bar... then add that much to the content

[biohazerd87]

ok the only page taht has been widened is the main page so if you visit any other pages they look goffey! but tell me what you think

Nah i lied, i changed them all :P

[biohazerd87]

ok i did some more updates this time i added all the bots that are in the filebase and moved the communication links to the bottom... check it out... and do you think that we should link all the bots websites or no?


made shrikebot and added 2 waypoint packs to it

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Heh, I just tried that name and rating system, it still doesn't record it, and the page glitch you talked aboot's still there. But I like the new fix, see how much extra content room we get? now it looks even better man. :)

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

I like the new fix, see how much extra content room we get? now it looks even better man. :)
Same here. Good work! =)

[biohazerd87]

the ratings are manually put in remember... cause we wanted to review them first so when you send submit a rating it sends it to the email wpbotsunited@gmail.com

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Ohh right, heh, that probably explains why that diddn't work, it slipped my mind. :P

[Huntkillaz]

hmmm i really do think that most ppl browse the web at 1024x768

i browse the web at 1280x1024, and my mouse can fit into the white spaces in the sides :P


800x600 is really small


*cs bot\nav should be just CS Bot (since csbot only does nav meshes anyways)

otherwise it's pretty good

[biohazerd87]

ok on the about page i am putting this message
First I would like to thank all the people who helped out! Brandon thanks a ton for the template, and Splorygon for helping me out with some of the code.

Waypoints United is a branch off of Bots United. At Bots United that is where the bots are made. But here we make the waypoints. Our goal is to make the best waypoints and let you give us feed back.If you would like to submit waypoints or ask us some questions just send an e-mail to wpbotsunited@gmail.com

yeah it sucks and yeah i wrote it in 5 seconds so if anyone wants to rewrite it fine with me

i also need a list of all the ***major*** waypoint contributers for all waypoints.
here is what i have so far:
>BKA< T Wrecks
SoUlFaThEr
Biohazerd87
Dead Bwoy
Edg3
Sluggy


i was also thinking about making a form people could fill out to request waypoints... eerr should we leave that for the site

[sPlOrYgOn]

a bit off topic but...
why is this thread in the pbmm section when it is a site for all bots?

[biohazerd87]

a bit off topic but...
why is this thread in the pbmm section when it is a site for all bots?i think cause it was intitialy for podbot but it spread and i don't know where else to put it and it is HUGE so moving it would be like taking an animal out of it's habbitat???:( :| ............ i think

and who is megahal?

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

dude, you're up for another BU quote rite now :D

[biohazerd87]

dude, you're up for another BU quote rite now :D
i am??? where

[MarD]

Heyyo,

You and I are megaHAL, eh sPlOrYgOn? lol ;)

megaHAL's a special text chat well, "brain" that learns what us humans say and tries to implement them in their own sentences, it can do many language, and tends to write sentences quite well... but it doesn't have memory, and has a hard time learning stuff like simple math, and who's who. RCbot currently has it implemented, and I'm sure RACCbot has it too since PMB's the one who pretty much introduced the idea to the bot coders. I love megaHAL, makes chatting with a bot SOOOOO much fun cause I belive that the bot coder attempted to make the bot as annoying as possible, lol. It'll say stuff like, "Your mom got clanned pwned ya jabroni" if taught to say that, lol. Just read sPlOrYgOn's transcript with it, or download it yourself, it's a lot of fun. The first thing I taught some of the RCbot profiles is to say "Heyyo" and "Heyyo, how's it goin' eh?" ;)

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

LOL!
I imagine very well MarD's little bots spamming heyyo's all around the place indeed! :D

[biohazerd87]

so is no one going to help me with the waypointers list lol

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

add TAZ and Count Floyd to that list for starters...

[biohazerd87]

add TAZ and Count Floyd to that list for starters...
we don't have any count floyd waypoints.....

[biohazerd87]

MarD and T Wrecks... did i scare you away or something??????

[MarD]

Heyyo,

Well, so far, there's SF, TWrecks, Biohazard, and I, ThE_MarD as the waypointers list. If you host my waypoints, lots of my earlier works were just revamps of old waypoints that either sucked or wasn't complete, or both... what was the majority of the waypoints? only I will know. :P But for the list of whos waypoints they were originally, check the E[POD]bot names txt file, that's how we handed out credit, by botnames. ;)

[biohazerd87]

k thanks.... i am also gonna check the file base and see who the creators of the waypoints where

[biohazerd87]

so now what???

[biohazerd87]

ok well i added the about page and added some waypoint contributors to the list

added Realbot section with 1 realbot waypoint pack
added RCbot section with 1 RCbot waypoint pack
added CSbot section with 1 CSbot waypoint pack and another coming

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

hey lads, is there an URL where we can view the work in progress of the site ? :)

[biohazerd87]

absolutly
CHANGES: just added the last CSbot waypoint pack!!!
http://lan.crazymonkeycomputers.com/

[dead bwoy]

Looks great so far!
Can I suggest some buttons or something, rather than just text in the left menu bar?
Will this site eventually be hosted by BU, or is this address permanent? Lemme know and I'll get the word out to the rest of the CSBot troops!

[biohazerd87]

Looks great so far!
Can I suggest some buttons or something, rather than just text in the left menu bar?
Will this site eventually be hosted by BU, or is this address permanent? Lemme know and I'll get the word out to the rest of the CSBot troops!
intially i had buttons but i wanted to hurry and get the crap up in a hurry... but i am gonna make rollovers and crap

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

yes, it will be hosted permanently at BU if they want it, that was how things were supposed to be. I've seen it and.. well, good job guys !! Do you use some sort of database or anything ?
Keep it going anyway!

[Brainz]

I've had a quick look through this thread, but I've not found a link to the site. Am I missing something obvious?

EDIT: just found it, turns out I was.

[biohazerd87]

yes, it will be hosted permanently at BU if they want it, that was how things were supposed to be. I've seen it and.. well, good job guys !! Do you use some sort of database or anything ?

Keep it going anyway!



no databases... cause i don't know php well enough... but when i do the site will all be transfered over to php...but again i will agree to host the website as www.crazymonkeycomputers.com (http://www.crazymonkeycomputers.com) and i will let the site use 75 megs of space and 8 gigs of bandwidth a month for free but the waypoint packs will be hosted on the file base but linked thru the site... all you have to do is add a link here to the site

[biohazerd87]

I've had a quick look through this thread, but I've not found a link to the site. Am I missing something obvious?http://lan.crazymonkeycomputers.com
as i posted like 3 post ago lol

[Brainz]

well, I did ask if I was missing something obvious... and I found it in the time it took you to write those posts...

[biohazerd87]

well, I did ask if I was missing something obvious... and I found it in the time it took you to write those posts...well have a look and tell me what you thnk

[Brainz]

how about making the whole news things links?

[biohazerd87]

how about making the whole news things links?how do you mean?

[Brainz]

and the main frame is about a pixel to two two high on the background. splitting thhe background into rectangular components and putting each one into its own frame would solve that.

well, if BU did tables i'd show you, but kinda like

http://www-student.lboro.ac.uk/~mardl/untitled.jpg (forums.bots-united.com)

[biohazerd87]

and the main frame is about a pixel to two two high on the background. splitting thhe background into rectangular components and putting each one into its own frame would solve that.
i have no idea wtf you are talking about ???:( lol

[Brainz]

News links: rather than asking to click here, let them click anywhere in the box.

as for the background thing: if you go to the about page, and scroll so one line of text is broken in half acros the top of the frame, you'll see that the top of the letters overlap into the darker blue bit.

I made the suggestion before actually looking at your source. Theres two ways of fixing the problem: move the colour out of the main iframe, or increase the borders on it.

Another problem I've found is that if you increase text size to max, the nav bar text overlaps the right hand sind of the graphic.

[Brainz]

also, add a input with type=hidden name=pack to the waypoint pages, so you only need one php page to rate the pointpacks.

[biohazerd87]

i would add that stuff but i already have it like it is lol... and the only real way to fix the text problem is to change the size of the frame which i am not going to do.... and besides it isn't that big of a deal and i will do that link for the new thing

[sr2004]

new waypoints found for my site;)
@+

[biohazerd87]

well i think we are ready to be link on the forum... well IMO i think we should

[dead bwoy]

Nothing shows up for me in that top bar!
Is there supposed to be a logo up there or something?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/pepe7373/WU.jpg

[biohazerd87]

i don't have a graphic to put there yet....:| ... are you anygood with photoshop:D

[dead bwoy]

... are you anygood with photoshop:DThat's a negative! I do think you should get a banner up (in the BU style) before the site is linked to BU.

[biohazerd87]

i dissagree but... i think the site should be linked now... people are coming to get waypoints not look at the banner... we will have one we just don't yet

[dead bwoy]

people are coming to get waypoints not look at the banner...You're right!
I say go for it!

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

link added :)

[biohazerd87]

link added :)thanks a lot man!

[biohazerd87]

ok i PMed commonbullet no reply yet and I have someone working on a banner for the top portion of the site

[biohazerd87]

added the request section and form
added titles so that on the navigation when you hold cursor over the bot it displays creator or mantainer
added about and updated news


added get ip to request form page

[MarD]

Heyyo,

I checked the site, and man, it's quite the beaute. :)

The new banner is sweet.

Also, it seems to have deleted the ratings I posted before for the 2 top PODbot mm waypointpacks...

I also noted the HPBbot link isin't working, when I highlited it, it tried to go to some '#' site...

[biohazerd87]

there are no waypoints for HPBbot and the rating is gone because I redid the whole rating system which took about 4 hours and i didn't have the time to move 1 rating sorry man :(

[biohazerd87]

i am learning MYSQL so by the end of the month, i hope, the rating system should be fully functional so when you submit ratings they show up without someone having to put it in manually

yay

[>BKA< T Wrecks]

Hey, that's good news. :)

I only wonder if you're learning all that stuff to improve the site, or if you're improving the site to try out the stuff you're learning anyway... ;)

[Pierre-Marie Baty]

that new banner is sweet, I bet it could make an alternate BU logo with a bit of modification ;)

[biohazerd87]

to TWRECKS
both... i want to use MYSQL because it is a very powerful and useful web program. I want to learn it to improve the site and vis versa